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nice link, not sure how much stock I put into baseball recruiting though, baseball is more of a team sport versus needing 9 studs, one for each position. For instance, USC had 22 recruits, we had 10. Most teams are in the 13-17 range while others are as much as 24. 24 is basically a whole new team....I think football or basketball is probably more accurate since those teams usually will recruit the same number of players (I know basketball isn't the same but it is easier to see who needs what positions filled). USC getting the nod here reminds me of the football team won it with Saban's first recruiting class (well the 2008 class was his first I think anyway), we sometimes forget it had what, 32 players?

Of that list of SEC schools above us, 3 had 13 recruits (UK, MSU, VU), 1 had 11 recruits (UF). The rest had 16 or more. Numbers alone should put us near the bottom of the list. Only 2 teams had fewer recruits than we did (GT, Stanford) GT was ranked below us (at 37).

Again, thanks for the link, gives you an idea of who got young again, and who didn't! I see you have Texan A&M in the SEC already. Welcome addition for baseball purposes imo!
 
I agree Kelly - thanks for the comments. I just saw where several SEC teams had recent articles on there recruiting rankings so I thought I would check where we ranked.

We don't have the lottery in Alabama, but I believe, for whatever reason, there are an inordinate number of really good walkons at Alabama this year who are not considered in the rankings (they must be including walkons at South Carolina to get to the 22, or hard to see how they get there with the limited scholarships available in baseball and the strange rules concerning allocation of those scholarships).
 
Right, not having extra money like we have here in Ga, hurts. Especially with things like the Hope Grant, etc. All the more reason states that have those should be heads and shoulders above the ones that don't. Also, more reason for places like Alabama, Auburn, etc to have really nice facilities if they want to stay up on the 8 ball...
 
No doubt about the team aspect in baseball, but baseball players are also perhaps the most easily evaluated (or at least have clearer metrics for evaluation), and team aspect or not, good players are needed, so there's some value to these.

The numbers issue is interesting... something tells me I'd rather have Vandy's or Ole Miss' class than USCe's - for 13 to be just behind 22, the 13 must really be of surpassing quality.
 
Harmost said:
No doubt about the team aspect in baseball, but baseball players are also perhaps the most easily evaluated (or at least have clearer metrics for evaluation), and team aspect or not, good players are needed, so there's some value to these.

The numbers issue is interesting... something tells me I'd rather have Vandy's or Ole Miss' class than USCe's - for 13 to be just behind 22, the 13 must really be of surpassing quality.
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Either that, or it could be a deal like Rivals has, where they've got a couple of different values being generated a manipulated and only the first "so many" go into one of those values.

For example, if you take the first 15 recruits, and team A has 3 1-25, 5 26-75, 7 76-150, and 2 200+, and team B has 1 1-25, 4 26-75, 5 76-150, 5 151-200, 10 200+, Team A would have the advantage over Team B because of their "first 15" are ranked higher than Team B's. Team B would receive a marginal benefit of having the 10 200+ players, but they're contribution to the "total" would be a lot less than the contribution of the "first 15"

That way you are comparing "talent" rather than numbers. That's essentially how Rivals gets their class rankings. With them, only the top 20 are used to calculate an average "star rating" and then that is multiplied by the totaled numbers gotten from individual recruits. A player gets a "base" number of points depending on their star value. Then Players get a certain number of points depending on where they are ranked nationally and also by their position ranking. So the better talent adds more points.
 
The recruiting rankings are somewhat hogwash. The difference in players isn't a whole lot. Most of the top 100 players in the country sign MLB, and the rest of those players haven't been followed closely enough. The pitchers that just came on board are all guys that weren't in the top 100, but if 2 or 3 of those guys do what they are capable of, we will be in fantastic shape. Looking at next year's class, we might lose 1 or 2, but the talent level is even better. White, Salem, Goodson, Overstreet, Freeman, Greer, Castillo look like a bunch that we can win with. Saw where White made the USA team. If he doesn't go MLB, expect him to step in and play SS. Expect Salem to step in for Dugas at CF, Overstreet possibly at 2B, and Goodson in either LF or RF. Our time is now and even more the next 2-3 years.
 
GORILLA BALL said:
Does anyone have a feeling for sec pre-season rankings?
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Well, my $.02. Probably a combination of UF, USC, Vandy, in the top 3 again, then a combination of Ark, LSU, MSU, UA, OM, not so sure about AU and UGA.

With Serrano at UT, they could/will be on the up and up but time will tell there. So for now I will put them in the bottom 4. UK is, well UK. I think Alabama will be improved, but pitching is going to be key there of ot develops they are going to be decent, if not, no Hoover....I would say probably Ark in the West is the team to beat followed LSU/MSU and Alabama in no particular order.

If you are a pay for it kinda person go to sebaseball.com and they have an article about it. Granted since you are asking here, I assume you are like me and spend your money elsewhere. But here is the link anyway. http://sebaseball.rivals.com/default.asp?type=24

I am no expert by any means and all the listed above are strictly guesses. I think the top 3 are solid though.
 
GORILLA BALL said:
Does anyone have a feeling for sec pre-season rankings?
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I think it'll look like this:

East
1. South Carolina -- I can't pick against them until they don't win the CWS...
2. Florida -- Way too much talent, other than that don't know much about them
3. Vandy -- Just don't see any way they finish above this unless SCar and UF bomb
4. UGa -- I don't think UT (yet) or UK (ever?) will be vastly improved.
5. UT -- Serrano should build UT up, but how long will it take?
6. UK -- Yep

West
1. Arkansas -- This is probably my weakest confidence level on a pick
2. LSU -- Young pitching last year should be more prepared for SEC-play this year.
3. Ole Miss -- Usually pretty solid, but I just think Arky and LSU will be better
4. Alabama -- Our season depends on pitching like CK said with a young pitching staff
5. Miss St -- They improved last year, maybe they can build upon that this year.
6. Auburn -- I don't know if I have AU this low because I don't like them or because I don't think they'll be that great...

Overall SEC (based on how I rate each team, not where I think they'll finish)
1. SCar
2. UF
3. Vandy
4. Arky
5. LSU
6. UGA
7. Ole Miss
8. Alabama
9. Miss St
10. Auburn
11. UT
12. UK
 
Geez. About par for the course, these days, it seems. Finishing just well enough to make it to Hoover (and thence, to the NCAA's) seems to be about as high as we can shoot for these days. Of course, it beats the heck out of some alternatives, but not all of them. It'd be nice to really be good again.

rtr
 
bamamick said:
Geez. About par for the course, these days, it seems. Finishing just well enough to make it to Hoover (and thence, to the NCAA's) seems to be about as high as we can shoot for these days. Of course, it beats the heck out of some alternatives, but not all of them. It'd be nice to really be good again.

rtr
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Well, I think those days are coming, sooner rather than later, but the fact of the matter right now is UF, USC, and VU all have VERY large margins in talent gap. I believe the next teams that could reload really fast are LSU and UGA. Both have State grants were Alabama doesn't. Makes it much harder to get top tier guys in. Not that it is any easier at those schools to get them in, it is just a lot easier to take a preferred walk on knowing they are getting help from the state rather than not.

For instance, I am a player from Columbus, GA. I have HOPE grant to UGA which pays for most of my school. Perno offers me a small scholarship that covers books. Now, my school is all but covered. Gaspard offers me 25% or even 50% scholarship but out of state is astronomical and it covers nothing near my school cost. I am a life long Bama fan and my family can't afford to send me out of state, what is the call. UGA 99.9% of the time. LSU can do what UGA does....

Places like Alabama and Auburn literally can't miss much on signing players or it really does hurt in the long term. Between the MLB draft and missing on players that is the quickest way to be a bottom feeder in the SEC.
 
Yep. The scenario you played out was what happened exactly to the son of a friend of mine who grew up in Pensacola and wound up signing with Florida even though he grew up a Bama fan and wanted to sign with Bama (this was under Jim Wells. The kid made it to AA with the Rangers before messing up his shoulder and being 'retired' by the team).

Over on the BamaMag baseball board we have been moaning about the Lottery money forever, but it doesn't appear that anyone is ever going to do anything about it. The analogy that I always use is that it's like us trying to play IA football with a IAA scholarship limit.

rtr
 
bamamick said:
Yep. The scenario you played out was what happened exactly to the son of a friend of mine who grew up in Pensacola and wound up signing with Florida even though he grew up a Bama fan and wanted to sign with Bama (this was under Jim Wells. The kid made it to AA with the Rangers before messing up his shoulder and being 'retired' by the team).

Over on the BamaMag baseball board we have been moaning about the Lottery money forever, but it doesn't appear that anyone is ever going to do anything about it. The analogy that I always use is that it's like us trying to play IA football with a IAA scholarship limit.

rtr
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Ding!!!
 
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