Reminder of what Brando said about Scott Frost

[cubzwin]

Does Brando give out stock picks? I would love to buy put options on whatever he plugs.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

who collapsed to benefit us?

I think that starts the inquiry at the wrong point. Our first probation in 1995 coincided with concurrent rises in Florida (who played Nebraska for the national title that year), Tennessee, and (by their standards) Mississippi State.

Stallings left in 1996 as the probation kicked in a bit harder, and LSU began a temporary rise and fall, followed by a big rise. Consider what happened during the probation years:

1995-2006 Alabama Records vs
Arkansas 5-7
Auburn 4-8
LSU 5-7
Ole Miss 10-2
MSU 7-5
Tennessee 2-10

Now I'm sure the instant dismissal is, "But those were the Mississippi teams." But then you have to remember that Ole Miss got hit with severe sanctions in 1994, and State got hit pretty hard in 2004. When Alabama was severely crippled, MSU won 4 of 5 at one point (96-00). Then their dirty laundry starting hitting the air, and they couldn't beat us again until well into the next set of sanctions.

Alabama's crippling helped ease the rise of Tennessee (in particular, because the two teams play every single year), and us being out of the way made Florida's path easier as well.

Georgia's brief rise (2002-2005) during the early Richt era owed part to the implosion of Florida during the Zook era and Tennessee post-1998 title under Fulmer.

Alabama's rise in 2008 (especially) was aided by the rapid drops of:
Tennessee (who hasn't beaten us now since 2006)
Auburn (their SEC record from 200406 was 21-3)
LSU (56-10 from 2003-2007, only 2 of those under Saban, they lost NINE in 08-09 alone)

Alabama SUSTAINING the dynasty was aided by:
Tennessee's continual ineptitude
The Florida implosion when Tebow left
Auburn's immediate plunge after a national title
LSU regressing to their historic norm after a two-year bump in 10-11

Nobody should think I'm dissing us or anyone else. This is a fact of life. Dynasties are sustained by the concurrent drop of other opponents. Yeah, we've beaten Tennessee 14 times in a row. But Florida is 12-1 against the Vols, too. Georgia - nowhere near Alabama for the past 12 years on the whole - is 10-4 against the Vols, and one of the losses was a fluke Hail Mary while another one was a 2nd quarter implosion after losing Nick Chubb. UGA could easily be 12-2 - so it's not like the Vols are world beaters going 11-1 and only losing to Alabama every year.

Jim McElwain's Florida record was 22-12, and he was fired facing another 3-4 losses, which would have put him at maybe 23-15. But he won two division titles and was considered an early success. Ron Zook had a three-year record of 23-14 and is considered a colossal failure. While Alabama does NOT play Florida every year, the reality is that Florida hasn't beaten us since the Tebow game, and none of the contests has even been particularly close: point being Florida has also regressed along with Tennessee, a fact that has helped lift both UGA and Alabama.

What makes US different from @81usaf92 's point about Osborne is this: Tom Osborne COULD NOT BEAT Barry Switzer in an even matchup. Never did. Colorado's rise to national champions owed a lot to Oklahoma being on probation. Suddenly, Osborne was without McCartney's setup at Boulder and not having to face Switzer, either - and he's reeling off a dynasty that ends the moment his tough conference games increase with conference consolidation.

By contrast, Saban has wiped the floor with every good coach of the era. He's pretty much single-handedly gotten Fulmer, Miles, Richt, and Tuberville all fired. The only coach with anything resembling success against him is Gus Malzahn, who is still 3-4 and was the OC on the losing side 2 of 3 other times. (And it's not like Malzahn is the reason why Auburn won the 2010 game).

In no way am I dissing our dynasty - but these rely upon other teams also having down times, too. Not even the Alabama dynasty is facing a bunch of 11-1 teams every single year.

 

[TideMan09]

It's never a good idea too post on Twitter when you're drinking liquor Tim..

 

[81usaf92]

I think that starts the inquiry at the wrong point. Our first probation in 1995 coincided with concurrent rises in Florida (who played Nebraska for the national title that year), Tennessee, and (by their standards) Mississippi State.

Stallings left in 1996 as the probation kicked in a bit harder, and LSU began a temporary rise and fall, followed by a big rise. Consider what happened during the probation years:

1995-2006 Alabama Records vs
Arkansas 5-7
Auburn 4-8
LSU 5-7
Ole Miss 10-2
MSU 7-5
Tennessee 2-10

Now I'm sure the instant dismissal is, "But those were the Mississippi teams." But then you have to remember that Ole Miss got hit with severe sanctions in 1994, and State got hit pretty hard in 2004. When Alabama was severely crippled, MSU won 4 of 5 at one point (96-00). Then their dirty laundry starting hitting the air, and they couldn't beat us again until well into the next set of sanctions.

Alabama's crippling helped ease the rise of Tennessee (in particular, because the two teams play every single year), and us being out of the way made Florida's path easier as well.

Georgia's brief rise (2002-2005) during the early Richt era owed part to the implosion of Florida during the Zook era and Tennessee post-1998 title under Fulmer.

Alabama's rise in 2008 (especially) was aided by the rapid drops of:
Tennessee (who hasn't beaten us now since 2006)
Auburn (their SEC record from 200406 was 21-3)
LSU (56-10 from 2003-2007, only 2 of those under Saban, they lost NINE in 08-09 alone)

Alabama SUSTAINING the dynasty was aided by:
Tennessee's continual ineptitude
The Florida implosion when Tebow left
Auburn's immediate plunge after a national title
LSU regressing to their historic norm after a two-year bump in 10-11

Nobody should think I'm dissing us or anyone else. This is a fact of life. Dynasties are sustained by the concurrent drop of other opponents. Yeah, we've beaten Tennessee 14 times in a row. But Florida is 12-1 against the Vols, too. Georgia - nowhere near Alabama for the past 12 years on the whole - is 10-4 against the Vols, and one of the losses was a fluke Hail Mary while another one was a 2nd quarter implosion after losing Nick Chubb. UGA could easily be 12-2 - so it's not like the Vols are world beaters going 11-1 and only losing to Alabama every year.

Jim McElwain's Florida record was 22-12, and he was fired facing another 3-4 losses, which would have put him at maybe 23-15. But he won two division titles and was considered an early success. Ron Zook had a three-year record of 23-14 and is considered a colossal failure. While Alabama does NOT play Florida every year, the reality is that Florida hasn't beaten us since the Tebow game, and none of the contests has even been particularly close: point being Florida has also regressed along with Tennessee, a fact that has helped lift both UGA and Alabama.

What makes US different from @81usaf92 's point about Osborne is this: Tom Osborne COULD NOT BEAT Barry Switzer in an even matchup. Never did. Colorado's rise to national champions owed a lot to Oklahoma being on probation. Suddenly, Osborne was without McCartney's setup at Boulder and not having to face Switzer, either - and he's reeling off a dynasty that ends the moment his tough conference games increase with conference consolidation.

By contrast, Saban has wiped the floor with every good coach of the era. He's pretty much single-handedly gotten Fulmer, Miles, Richt, and Tuberville all fired. The only coach with anything resembling success against him is Gus Malzahn, who is still 3-4 and was the OC on the losing side 2 of 3 other times. (And it's not like Malzahn is the reason why Auburn won the 2010 game).

In no way am I dissing our dynasty - but these rely upon other teams also having down times, too. Not even the Alabama dynasty is facing a bunch of 11-1 teams every single year.

ive talked to many Devaney era Husker fans and even guys that played and were on staff with Devaney. The common view on Osborne by these guys is that anyone could’ve replaced Devaney and reeled off all those good seasons without championships like Osborne did after Devaney put Nebraska on the map. They say Osborne was a good coach but always a good whipping boy for Switzer. They mostly say at least Devaney was competitive vs Wilkinson.

 

[JayBama_in_PCOLA]

Tim Brando. Enough said, but I will say this about Scott Frost. Instead of being the next generation Nick Saban, he ought to try to be this generation’s Scott Frost first.

 

[TideEngineer08]

Tim Brando. Enough said, but I will say this about Scott Frost. Instead of being the next generation Nick Saban, he ought to try to be this generation’s Scott Frost first.

He should have stayed at UCF and left later on for a job like Texas or USC. But the call of his alma mater, particularly coming from his mentor Osborne, was just too much to turn down.

 

[B1GTide]

He should have stayed at UCF and left later on for a job like Texas or USC. But the call of his alma mater, particularly coming from his mentor Osborne, was just too much to turn down.

Something that I understand and respect.

 

[CB4]

Brando is a thin skinned dip. I responded to something idiotic he tweeted (can’t remember what it was about since about 90% of the stuff he tweets falls into the idiotic category) and he blocked me.
My comment wasn’t crude, rude or abrasive. I just simply made a factual based response and the guy couldn’t handle it.

 

[BearFoot]

If that was the case.....

Then this twit would never tweet!!?$!!!

It's never a good idea too post on Twitter when you're drinking liquor Tim..

 

[Tideflyer]

I feel reasonably confident in making the statement that there are more than a handful of regular posters on Tidefans whose knowledge of college football exceeds that of Tim Brando.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Brando is a thin skinned dip. I responded to something idiotic he tweeted (can’t remember what it was about since about 90% of the stuff he tweets falls into the idiotic category) and he blocked me.
My comment wasn’t crude, rude or abrasive. I just simply made a factual based response and the guy couldn’t handle it.

Yeah, I've seen him do that.

Christine "Every Man is a Rapist" Brennan is even worse. She was whining about California Chrome not winning the Triple Crown several years back and saying there should be a rule requiring all the horses to run all the races. I pointed out (my son used to ride horses years ago) WHY that was a bad idea, and she blocked me - at which point I created another Twitter account and went and smashed her with "I'd think someone who prejudged the Duke lacrosse case would stop a minute and make sure of what they were saying before typing," which got me banned again.

 

[DogPatch]

I feel reasonably confident in making the statement that there are more than a handful of regular posters on Tidefans whose knowledge of college football exceeds that of Tim Brando.

I'm not so sure about that. Brando has a wealth of knowledge from being around the game for decades. Where probably all TIdefans exceed him is that they don't have the hubris to think they know EVERYTHING about college football, and that they are infallible.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I'm not so sure about that. Brando has a wealth of knowledge from being around the game for decades. Where probably all TIdefans exceed him is that they don't have the hubris to think they know EVERYTHING about college football, and that they are infallible.

I know one poster here who disagrees.
I'd say his bigger problems are NOT his knowledge of history; it's his insane predictions designed to shock.
Every generation has one (Colin Cowherd has adopted this schtick, which is why he boasted Auburn would win back to back national titles in 13 and 14. Who remembers this now other than Tide fans?)

 

[Windsortide]

Frost grass is not always greener. He had something good going on. Brando is Brando needs to make outrageous statements because he has no substance.

 

[DogPatch]

I know one poster here who disagrees.
I'd say his bigger problems are NOT his knowledge of history; it's his insane predictions designed to shock.
Every generation has one (Colin Cowherd has adopted this schtick, which is why he boasted Auburn would win back to back national titles in 13 and 14. Who remembers this now other than Tide fans?)

Exactly. He's got an ego problem, not a knowledge problem.

 

[81usaf92]

I'm not so sure about that. Brando has a wealth of knowledge from being around the game for decades. Where probably all TIdefans exceed him is that they don't have the hubris to think they know EVERYTHING about college football, and that they are infallible.

Calling someone the next Nick Saban and saying he WILL be winning multiple national championships before coaching a down at a program with severe recruiting problems is a pretty huge leap. Had he said “could be” then the narrative of this thread totally changes.

The problem with Brando is that he is pompous jerk that believes he knows everything. Really Cowherd and Travis make just as off the wall predictions but they rarely get personal with a specific fan base.... Well Travis has recently due to the COVID 19 issues. But neither go after Alabama and SEC fans on a personal level

 

[Alan92]

This is Frost 5th year as a head coach. He's on his way to his 4th losing season. He shouldn't even be talked about anymore until he does something.

 

[Tideflyer]

Exactly. He's got an ego problem, not a knowledge problem.

OK. I`ll defer to that. He does indeed come across as an arrogant
jackass as I reflect upon it a bit more.

 

[STONECOLDSABAN]

Tim Brando is the guy who after okie state lost in 2011 to Iowa state tried to exploit the tragic loss of okie states volleyball coach in a plane crash so okie state could get in the playoffs. Brando leaves a trail of slime wherever he goes.

 

[DogPatch]

Calling someone the next Nick Saban and saying he WILL be winning multiple national championships before coaching a down at a program with severe recruiting problems is a pretty huge leap.

And, I'm not saying he's not stupid and narcissistic. Just that he would probably win a college football trivia contest against anyone on the board, save Selma.