Russia Invades Ukraine XIX

[Tidewater]

WOW

If you had been living under a rock since this war began and just now read this "peace deal," you'd assume that Ukraine was the aggressor and cause of all the trouble. They get absolutely punished in this "deal," with Putin and his criminal actions getting barely a slap on the wrist. This thing reads like a love letter to Russia written by Putin's bed buddy Trump.

Resist and fight Zelenski! Show some dignity and respect for your country and refuse to bend the knee to Trump and Putin.

I want his thing to end, but Russia should be the one to pay the higher cost, and they should never be allowed back into the G8, ever.


Including this is laughable, considering this administration doesn't even follow these guidelines in this country.

This ain't a deal for Ukraine, it is a surrender.

If the confrontation line was moving steadily eastward and Russia lost more land every day, the negotiations would have been much more pro-Kyiv. In fact, the opposite is happening. Every day the way drags on, Ukraine loses more and more of its land.
If there is some wonder-weapon that will turn the tide, or some change in strategy that will win the war for Ukraine like a clap of lightning, I'd love to see it. We are coming up on four years and for the last two, the glacial but ever-westward movement of the confrontation line signal eventual and inevitable defeat of Ukraine. Pokrovsk, the Ukrainian logistics hub, is now in Russian hands
Wishing that wasn't true does not change the facts on the ground.

 

[Tidewater]

By "hope for the best" do you mean they hope the U.S. will save their asses because that's sure what it sounds like to me.

Yeah. Look at the situation of the British in the Second World War in June 1940. With the fall of France, the Brits were alone. The British Empire was big, and they had Canada, India, the Suez Canal, but no chance to get back onto the continent of Europe, so Churchill waited and adopted the traditional British strategy of nibbling at the fringes of the Nazi Empire and hoped for better days. They won by not losing.
That changed in June 1941 when Hitler invaded the USSR (which had the world's largest army). Then in December, Hitler declared war on the US (world's largest economy). Then it was only a matter of time until the Russians ground the Wehrmacht down and the US war production was felt in Europe. But the trend lines changed immeasurably between June 1940 and December 1941. Maybe the Ukrainians believe that they are the Brits in June 1940 and as long as they do not lose, they live to fight another day.
I think getting the US or Europe into the Ukraine War requires a really dumb mistake by the Russians, however.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Yeah. Look at the situation of the British in the Second World War in June 1940. With the fall of France, the Brits were alone. The British Empire was big, and they had Canada, India, the Suez Canal, but no chance to get back onto the continent of Europe, so Churchill waited and adopted the traditional British strategy of nibbling at the fringes of the Nazi Empire and hoped for better days. They won by not losing.
That changed in June 1941 when Hitler invaded the USSR (which had the world's largest army). Then in December, Hitler declared war on the US (world's largest economy). Then it was only a matter of time until the Russians ground the Wehrmacht down and the US war production was felt in Europe. But the trend lines changed immeasurably between June 1940 and December 1941. Maybe the Ukrainians believe that they are the Brits in June 1940 and as long as they do not lose, they live to fight another day.
I think getting the US or Europe into the Ukraine War requires a really dumb mistake by the Russians, however.

Those are some interesting parallels and it definitely got me thinking, but I agree with your final assessment: Putin is not Hitler and will not make the same ridiculous decisions that Hitler made. Whenever I see some sports team start out hot, but fail spectacularly down the stretch, it always reminds me of that putz.