Russia Invades Ukraine XIX

[arthurdawg]

I would presume Putin wants or needs the propaganda he can generate from having someone shoot down one of his plane. That way he can falsely claim other countries are the aggressor. Quite the powderkeg over that way...

 

[Tidewater]

I would presume Putin wants or needs the propaganda he can generate from having someone shoot down one of his plane. That way he can falsely claim other countries are the aggressor. Quite the powderkeg over that way...

I think he is desensitizing the target countries to the violations. One day (the first day of the next war), the Russian airplane will release ordnance and sink the ship. (See the USS Stark and USS Vincennes.)

 

[some_al_fan]

-- Russian Su34 (Patriot hit)

Ukraine Destroys Russian Su-34 Bomber Carrying Out ‘Terro...

A Russian Su-34 fighter jet has been shot down by Ukraine as it was attacking Zaporizhzhia, according to the Ukrainian air force.

www.newsweek.com

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Looking like something fundamental has changed wrt the US response to this Russian invasion...

During all the hoo-hah of Charlie Kirk's assassination, few people seemed to have noticed the resignation (or firing) of Putin’s only sensible advisor, Dmitri Kozak. (I think I spelled that right.) Unless I've been misinformed, he was against this war from the start and was on point for cease-fire negotiations. His resignation (or firing) sent a signal to the president that Putin has essentially given up on any sort of peace agreement, regardless of how one-sided it would have been in his favor.

Needless to say, this put Trump in an awkward position. As we all know, crossing this man will not usually work out in your favor and as many predicted he would do, Putin made a fool out of him on the world stage. I think this is now personal, but that's just my opinion.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

During all the hoo-hah of Charlie Kirk's assassination, few people seemed to have noticed the resignation (or firing) of Putin’s only sensible advisor, Ditri Kozak. (I think I spelled that right.) Unless I've been misinformed, he was against this war from the start and was on point for cease-fire negotiations. His resignation (or firing) sent a signal to the president that Putin has essentially given up on any sort of peace agreement, regardless of how one-sided it would have been in his favor.

Needless to say, this put Trump in an awkward position. As we all know, crossing this man will not usually work out in your favor and as many predicted he would do, Putin made a fool out of him on the world stage. I think this is now personal, but that's just my opinion.

I wouldn't be surprised if you turn out to be right...

 

[some_al_fan]

Can someone please provide a single actionable item from the so-called “Trump’s pivot on Ukraine” that the media is talking about?

As far as I can see, Trump continues the same course:
- No US military aid
- Will sell weapons to Europe (to be sent to Ukraine). Paid by Europe.

That is the same position that he had back in June. Words have changed, actions have not.

 

[Bamaro]

Can someone please provide a single actionable item from the so-called “Trump’s pivot on Ukraine” that the media is talking about?

As far as I can see, Trump continues the same course:
- No US military aid
- Will sell weapons to Europe (to be sent to Ukraine). Paid by Europe.

That is the same position that he had back in June. Words have changed, actions have not.

Only the talk has changed. I guess Zelinsky got some cards somewhere.
Who knows what trump will say in a few days.

 

[92tide]

Can someone please provide a single actionable item from the so-called “Trump’s pivot on Ukraine” that the media is talking about?

As far as I can see, Trump continues the same course:
- No US military aid
- Will sell weapons to Europe (to be sent to Ukraine). Paid by Europe.

That is the same position that he had back in June. Words have changed, actions have not.

this is like all of those times in the first go round where the media waved their hands and declared that he became presidential !1!!111

 

[Tidewater]

Can someone please provide a single actionable item from the so-called “Trump’s pivot on Ukraine” that the media is talking about?

As far as I can see, Trump continues the same course:
- No US military aid
- Will sell weapons to Europe (to be sent to Ukraine). Paid by Europe.

That is the same position that he had back in June. Words have changed, actions have not.

Good question. I have not seen it. Maybe the jury is still out. Instead of pushing Zelensky to make concessions, maybe now he is looking to take action to put pressure on Putin to agree to peace. Maybe. I still have not seen it.

 

[Bamaro]

Good question. I have not seen it. Maybe the jury is still out. Instead of pushing Zelensky to make concessions, maybe now he is looking to take action to put pressure on Putin to agree to peace. Maybe. I still have not seen it.

He could also be setting the stage to turn his back on the whole thing by saying Ukraine can handle it. Putin would obviously like that.

 

[Tidewater]

He could also be setting the stage to turn his back on the whole thing by saying Ukraine can handle it. Putin would obviously like that.

Could be. I keep hearing that.

 

[crimsonaudio]

BREAKING: Zelensky requested Tomahawk missiles at a closed meeting with Trump for a strike on the Kremlin. In an interview after the meeting, Mr Zelensky said Mr Trump was amenable to his appeal for the long-range cruise missile, that would put Moscow in range of Kyiv’s strikes. Zelensky stated that if the Ukrainian Armed Forces receive such weapons, they will consider the Kremlin a target for attack, the publication writes.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1971550474026258714

 

[crimsonaudio]

NATO chief Rutte: Trump told me the “floodgates” of U.S. weapons to Ukraine are open — $2B package approved, $10B more on the way.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1971494203416072385

 

[Tidewater]

BREAKING: Zelensky requested Tomahawk missiles at a closed meeting with Trump for a strike on the Kremlin. In an interview after the meeting, Mr Zelensky said Mr Trump was amenable to his appeal for the long-range cruise missile, that would put Moscow in range of Kyiv’s strikes. Zelensky stated that if the Ukrainian Armed Forces receive such weapons, they will consider the Kremlin a target for attack, the publication writes.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1971550474026258714

Why was this made public?
To what purpose?

 

[92tide]

Why was this made public?
To what purpose?

distraction? chaos? that seems to be his only motivation

 

[some_al_fan]

Why was this made public?
To what purpose?

For the media.
It is not the first report that Ukraine has asked about tomahawks.
Here is 2024 story:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/zelenskiy-strongly-hints-ukraine-seeking-tomahawk-missiles-us-2024-10-30/

 

[some_al_fan]

NATO chief Rutte: Trump told me the “floodgates” of U.S. weapons to Ukraine are open — $2B package approved, $10B more on the way.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1971494203416072385

That is part of PURL, that was announced on July 14, where weapons are paid for by the Europeans:

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The administration reportedly authorized up to two $500 million shipments of military aid under the new Prioritized Ukraine Requirements List (PURL) mechanism. The establishment of PURL was announced on July 14 during a meeting between President Donald Trump and NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte.
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PURL funding for Ukraine starts to flow from European NATO countries - European Security & Defence

Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway and Sweden have made the first contributions, worth USD 1 billion, to Ukraine under NATO's PURL initiative.

euro-sd.com

 

[Bamaro]

Why was this made public?
To what purpose?

Poke the bear

 

[Tidewater]

Poke the bear

I see poking the bear as the means, but what might be the strategic end sought?

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I see poking the bear as the means, but what might be the strategic end sought?

To make Russia think twice about its recent aggressive pushing of the boundaries?