Sammy Sosa ....

[LCN]

Belts #600 . Appropriately , it was aginst my Cubs - the only team SS had never homered against .

Is he a HOF player ?

My vote ? Yes , well before #600 . He is a mutant but , so are many others .

 

[Jack Bourbon]

It would be a lot easier to say yes if he did anything other than have a streak of lots of home runs. He spent a lot of his career as a useless strikeout machine, did he not?

 

[BamaCorvin]

It's a tough call, he was so easy to like until all the bat corking and steroid stuff. I still think he gets in.

 

[LCN]

It would be a lot easier to say yes if he did anything other than have a streak of lots of home runs. He spent a lot of his career as a useless strikeout machine, did he not?

He had a 10 year span over which he hit more homers than anyone ever . Same for 9 , 8 , 7 , 6 , year stretches . As far as the K's go , he did have a 4-5 year run of swinging & missing everything that was thrown off the outer corner . 150+K's - 6 times .

Still , '93-'03 was a very good 11 year stretch . Sosa was a 30/30 guy twice during those years . Over 225 sb's . 9 - 100+RBI seasons . Silver Slugger X6 .
IMO , it's been a career worthy of the HOF . '98-'01 were incredible seasons .
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?playerID=122544&statType=1 -
I think '04 was the year he sneezed his way to the DL .

Other than #'s .....
His play in RF had really declined over his last couple of years as a Cub but , Sosa was a better than average fielder during his early years .

Corked bat - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Sosa
[edit] Corked bat incident
On June 3, 2003, Sosa was ejected from a Chicago Cubs-Tampa Bay Devil Rays game in the first inning when umpires discovered he had been using a corked bat.[4] Major League Baseball confiscated and tested 76 of Sosa's other bats after his ejection; all were found to be clean, with no cork. Five bats he had sent to the Hall of Fame in past years were also tested, and were all clean as well.[5] Sosa stated that he had accidentally used the corked bat, which he claimed he only used during batting practice and home run contests. On June 6, Sosa was suspended for eight games.[6] However, the suspension was reduced to seven games after appeal on June 11.[7]


BTW , good link for stats - http://www.baseball-reference.com/

 

[gerry dorsey]

i sure hope not. hr's and rbi's are all the guy has ever done....no doubt a direct result from ped's and probably some corked bats in there as well. his obp is crap, he has had more than 130 k's 12 times, and he is a total liability in the field. not to mention the guy is a fraud. he conveniently lost the ability to speak and comprehend english as soon as he is asked some difficult questions. how come mark mcgwire and barry bonds get fried, but this guy gets cheered. what a joke the baseball hof is bound to become.

 

[NYBamaFan]

Other than his steroid enhanced ability to hit HRs, he is a decidedly pedestrian player. I hope that he doesn't make it...

 

[LCN]

i sure hope not. hr's and rbi's are all the guy has ever done....no doubt a direct result from ped's and probably some corked bats in there as well. his obp is crap, he has had more than 130 k's 12 times, and he is a total liability in the field. not to mention the guy is a fraud. he conveniently lost the ability to speak and comprehend english as soon as he is asked some difficult questions. how come mark mcgwire and barry bonds get fried, but this guy gets cheered. what a joke the baseball hof is bound to become.

Even with all those K's and only an occasional BB , he's led the NL in OBP before .

 

[Bama Torch in Pcola]

No. Without the roids he's Dave Kingman.

 

[LCN]

Dave Kingman was a career 235 batter and SS:273 . OBP - DK:302 SS:344
XBH DK:707 SS:1014 . Steals DK:89 SS:234 . Really aren't comparable players .

 

[gerry dorsey]

Even with all those K's and only an occasional BB , he's led the NL in OBP before .

fine....put him in....it only supports my original statement...."what a joke the baseball hof is bound to become."

 

[NYBamaFan]

You can't put Sosa in w/o McGuire. They both made a mockery of baseball...

 

[LCN]

fine....put him in....it only supports my original statement...."what a joke the baseball hof is bound to become."

Unfortunately , all of the mutants will get in - Bonds/Sosa/McGwire etc. - products of the era . _evil: Sort of like 80% of the NFL guys from the 70's .

 

[gerry dorsey]

Unfortunately , all of the mutants will get in - Bonds/Sosa/McGwire etc. - products of the era . _evil: Sort of like 80% of the NFL guys from the 70's .

they should build a whole new hof wing with all of the "mutants." included will be all of those that we have reason to believe they used (physique changes, spike in production, etc), yet have some type of hof credentials. i say it starts with jose canseco going 40/40 in 1988. where it stops.....nobody knows.

 

[LCN]

they should build a whole new hof wing with all of the "mutants." included will be all of those that we have reason to believe they used (physique changes, spike in production, etc), yet have some type of hof credentials. i say it starts with jose canseco going 40/40 in 1988. where it stops.....nobody knows.

Wasn't that also the year he bagged Madonna ?

 

[Bama Torch in Pcola]

they should build a whole new hof wing with all of the "mutants." included will be all of those that we have reason to believe they used (physique changes, spike in production, etc), yet have some type of hof credentials. i say it starts with jose canseco going 40/40 in 1988. where it stops.....nobody knows.

Lenny Dykstra, Brady Anderson, Kevin Mitchell, etc.

 

[Probius]

If Sosa was not on steroids then absolutely he is HOF material. But the same question that is being asked about all the MLB players in this generation will be asked about Sosa as well. Did he take steroids? We may never really know for certain, though it is pretty obvious. Either way though Sosa's records at least seem tainted and I don't think the HOF voters will ever vote him in.

 

[bamanut_aj]

Biggio should be in before Sosa or McGwire. But, with the voting being so numbers driven, 600 homeruns "sounds" good.

 

[jps1983]

I said 'no' even though he has hit a lot of HRs. Homeruns are easier to get now then they were when Ruth, Gehrig, and Foxx played. Hitters go for the big hit instead of contact or hitting for average. Also, there was the corked bat, so how many HRs did he get that barely cleared the wall brings into question whether he used a corked bat then. Then the steroid speculation, which I don't think gives him extra power for a HR, but allows the body to recover quicker, meaning that guys like Palmeiro, Bonds, and Sosa can have longer careers to keep going for records.

On top of his questionable stats in hitting, he was never a good fielder, kinda like Manny (even though Manny is much worse).

 

[LCN]

I said 'no' even though he has hit a lot of HRs. Homeruns are easier to get now then they were when Ruth, Gehrig, and Foxx played. Hitters go for the big hit instead of contact or hitting for average. Also, there was the corked bat, so how many HRs did he get that barely cleared the wall brings into question whether he used a corked bat then. Then the steroid speculation, which I don't think gives him extra power for a HR, but allows the body to recover quicker, meaning that guys like Palmeiro, Bonds, and Sosa can have longer careers to keep going for records.

On top of his questionable stats in hitting, he was never a good fielder, kinda like Manny (even though Manny is much worse).

... which was an open & shut honest mistake . That was 1 bat out of the other 70-something that were confiscated and found to be pure .

His hitting stats are remarkable . How they were acheived is the debate . :wink:


basaball hasa bin bery bery goo'ta me :redface:

 

[Boclive]

Cheater.