Poll: Should the SEC expand?

[CrimsonSon]

With two divisions, 16 teams and us in the West I just don't see how we can play them. They could swap us to the East with the Barn.

Whewwwwww! Not sure about that, thought the west was our home. If Bama moves east the eastern division is easily the best.

 

[CrimsonSon]

Maybe 14 is the best proposal.

 

[THE BAMA IRISHMAN]

YES

(Ask Boise St. what happens when you have an identical record with a top conference team, but you played a softer schedule.
Membership in the top conference has it's advantages, if you can claw your way thru a tough schedule...)

Absolutely. Last season the Boise St. schedule was a complete embarrassment. Only one team Oregon was ranked above #50. If you are an Alabama, Florida, Texas, OR whoever you have to earn your way.

September 12 Miami (OH)
September 18 at Fresno State
September 26 at Bowling Green
October 3 UC Davis
October 14 at Tulsa
October 24 at Hawaii
October 31 San Jose State
November 6 at Louisiana Tech
November 14 Idaho
November 20 at Utah State
November 27 Nevada

Playing chumps does not equal Champs!

 

[CrimsonSon]

WHY NOT? Quanity does not mean quality, I know perception is what seems to count to alot of people, but that perception only holds true for people with little vision, I haven't seen any of those here, at least not lately!

The SEC beat what would be their (Pac-16) best, in '09 (UT), and possibly their 2nd best (OU) in '08! Furthermore the SEC beat the NEW BIG-12 in '06 & '07 (both times OSU)!

By the way I voted NO, at least for right now, Bigger is also not Better!

Now in '04 and '05 the new Pac-16 would have played each other (Pairty), and in '03 the SEC would have beaten the new Pac-16 member OU! Texas is heading west for one reason, and it ain't $$$....! Their EGO says they have to be #1 wherever they are! What better place to be that than the now lower than low pac-16!:rolleye2:

I thought their original plan was to bring along the best from their conference that they could and throw USC and Oregon in the mix. Wouldn't that make a tougher conference. USC is a pretty tough team whether you like them or not.

 

[CrimsonSon]

Absolutely. Last season the Boise St. schedule was a complete embarrassment. Only one team Oregon was ranked above #50. If you are an Alabama, Florida, Texas, OR whoever you have to earn your way.

September 12 Miami (OH)
September 18 at Fresno State
September 26 at Bowling Green
October 3 UC Davis
October 14 at Tulsa
October 24 at Hawaii
October 31 San Jose State
November 6 at Louisiana Tech
November 14 Idaho
November 20 at Utah State
November 27 Nevada

Playing chumps does not equal Champs!

That is why my idea of having them in the Big or Pac 10 was great. It would give them a schedule that had some more respect for the conference as a whole instead of one or two games a year. Its tough to survive that year in year out.

 

[Hal Bennett]

With the way things are developing, mainly that Texas seems to be looking to keep themselves pat over there, I don't see that there is much of an argument developing so far for expanding the SEC.

I see a discussion of Texas A&M here, and that makes little or no sense to me. You bring Texas A&M over here, and one thing you will have done is to bring the biggest set of inferiority complexes in the state of Texas over here. You thereby may get them somehow out of the University of Texas' hair. (I doubt that, even.) It would be like "moving" Auburn to Texas. Texas A&M without a University of Texas to complain about would be like Auburn without an Alabama to complain about. Aggies go to bed gnashing their teeth about UT, and spend their waking hours telling everybody they can about it.

I'm listening to Dennis Franchione right now talking on WWL about this expansion stuff. It appears that some Alabama fans may think that because Franchione "rejected" Alabama for A&M, there must be something special about A&M. Trust me, please. That is a mirage. Franchione left Alabama for A&M, I think, because his wife didn't like Alabama. She must not have liked A&M much either. Don Meredith explained what I'm trying to tell you when he told Bear Bryant years ago, "Coach, if you were anywhere in the worldexcept A&M, (I'd come play for you)." [Bear, p. 124] Bear's comment about A&M fans [p.125] is one I can second the motion on:

"And those doggone Aggies are unbelievable. Aggie Exes, they call them. They make the worst enemies there are. You get two of them together and you get big talking. Just the sweetest, most obnoxious guys."
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Folks, why do you think Bear Bryant left Texas A&M in 1958 to come to Alabama? He came back home, and left that over there. I say, leave it to them over there. Let Texas and A&M have at it. It's a rivalry, just like Alabama-Auburn is a rivalry. No, A&M is perhaps no longer the "penitentiary" Bryant said it looked like [p. 124], because they are now co-educational. Evidently, the military thing has been toned down, I don't know. But it is still Texas A&M. (If you want to email me for my source of information, you are welcome.)

Bear Bryant went to Texas A&M in the first place because he had come to the conclusion that Kentucky was too small for him and Adolph Rupp, and the only job offer he could find on his desk was from A&M. Bear wrote [p. 123]:

Leaving Kentucky broke Mary Harmon's heart. Worse than that, when she got off the plane at College Station, Texas, she turned white.
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It is the people who make something successful, from the inside out, not the other way around. Col. Sanders made his company successful because he fried chicken the best. The SEC is the best, qualitatively. Now, if an argument can be made for three, four, or five "Superconferences" forming a "new NCAA," I might well like that idea. I could see something happening on that basis. But all this stuff about why we need to do this and that just doesn't pass muster, as far as I am concerned.

I even heard Bobby Hebert today suggest Miami and Georgia Tech as new SEC members. Miami? Puh-lease!

 

[CrimsonSon]

With the way things are developing, mainly that Texas seems to be looking to keep themselves pat over there, I don't see that there is much of an argument developing so far for expanding the SEC.

I see a discussion of Texas A&M here, and that makes little or no sense to me. You bring Texas A&M over here, and one thing you will have done is to bring the biggest set of inferiority complexes in the state of Texas over here. You thereby may get them somehow out of the University of Texas' hair. (I doubt that, even.) It would be like "moving" Auburn to Texas. Texas A&M without a University of Texas to complain about would be like Auburn without an Alabama to complain about. Aggies go to bed gnashing their teeth about UT, and spend their waking hours telling everybody they can about it.

I'm listening to Dennis Franchione right now talking on WWL about this expansion stuff. It appears that some Alabama fans may think that because Franchione "rejected" Alabama for A&M, there must be something special about A&M. Trust me, please. That is a mirage. Franchione left Alabama for A&M, I think, because his wife didn't like Alabama. She must not have liked A&M much either. Don Meredith explained what I'm trying to tell you when he told Bear Bryant years ago, "Coach, if you were anywhere in the worldexcept A&M, (I'd come play for you)." [Bear, p. 124] Bear's comment about A&M fans [p.125] is one I can second the motion on:

"And those doggone Aggies are unbelievable. Aggie Exes, they call them. They make the worst enemies there are. You get two of them together and you get big talking. Just the sweetest, most obnoxious guys."
​

Folks, why do you think Bear Bryant left Texas A&M in 1958 to come to Alabama? He came back home, and left that over there. I say, leave it to them over there. Let Texas and A&M have at it. It's a rivalry, just like Alabama-Auburn is a rivalry. No, A&M is perhaps no longer the "penitentiary" Bryant said it looked like [p. 124], because they are now co-educational. Evidently, the military thing has been toned down, I don't know. But it is still Texas A&M. (If you want to email me for my source of information, you are welcome.)

Bear Bryant went to Texas A&M in the first place because he had come to the conclusion that Kentucky was too small for him and Adolph Rupp, and the only job offer he could find on his desk was from A&M. Bear wrote [p. 123]:

Leaving Kentucky broke Mary Harmon's heart. Worse than that, when she got off the plane at College Station, Texas, she turned white.
​

It is the people who make something successful, from the inside out, not the other way around. Col. Sanders made his company successful because he fried chicken the best. The SEC is the best, qualitatively. Now, if an argument can be made for three, four, or five "Superconferences" forming a "new NCAA," I might well like that idea. I could see something happening on that basis. But all this stuff about why we need to do this and that just doesn't pass muster, as far as I am concerned.

I even heard Bobby Hebert today suggest Miami and Georgia Tech as new SEC members. Miami? Puh-lease!

Great read! There is also some evidence to support that Col. Sanders was successful because he never gave up. His recipe was rejected over 1009 times before he finally sold it. He was going to sell that recipe; failure would not be an option. He believed that recipe was the best when there wasn't another soul that agreed with him. You are the only person that can hold you back.

 

[Elefantman]

I hope that the Big 12 announcement today ends any perception that the SEC needs to expand. Now that there is a "New and Improved" PAC10 and a "New and Improved" Big10, we can see that the same old SEC is still the best damn conference in the land. IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT!! The new PAC10 and New BIG10 and the reincarnated Big12 will have some major adjustment pains, while the SEC will just keep getting better with age.

 

[Ldlane]

I hope that the Big 12 announcement today ends any perception that the SEC needs to expand. Now that there is a "New and Improved" PAC10 and a "New and Improved" Big10, we can see that the same old SEC is still the best damn conference in the land. IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT!! The new PAC10 and New BIG10 and the reincarnated Big12 will have some major adjustment pains, while the SEC will just keep getting better with age.

I hope we never feel that we are ever good enough to settle for "status quo" myself.

Oh well, back to those "white helmets" and "nameless uniforms"!

 

[pyro]

Yes, expand, why?

1. More teams in less confrences equals bye bye BCS, hello Playoffs! "hopefully"

2. The SEC is the best confrence when it comes to Football, the worst when it comes to other stuff such as baketball "exception of UK" So, therefore add two teams that can play at least decent football and basketball. Example Texas from the west, maybe someone like North Carolina from the east. {side note!} for the bama basketball fans imagine the Tar Heals in town!{end note} while I know theres not a lot of huge basketball fans in the SEC it would be awesome for the few there are. plus the Athletic Directors would love it.

3. Also, if not expad restructure kick out someone like Vandy who is proving no influnece at all, and put in a high prestige like North Carolina, maybe Florida State. {OH HO} it looks like the Florida, Florida State rivalry just got a lot more hype if that happens, being in the same confrence.

just a thought...

 

[dave12]

I voted yes, but am really not sure how I feel about it. If we expand I would only want to add 2 more teams, no more. Those 2 teams would hopefully be competitive and add market.

In the short term I do not see that expanding is required to maintain our current profitability. But if the "super" conferences prove successful, then we might have to in the future anyway. So, do we wait and see or act now? I don't know and am glad I don't have to make the decisions.

Exactly, we need to be proactive. We didn't start this mess, but we could expand by 2 teams, no more than 2, and always stay one step ahead. The rest will always be falling all over themselves trying to keep up.

RTR:BigA:

 

[Dallas4Bama]

With the way things are developing, mainly that Texas seems to be looking to keep themselves pat over there, I don't see that there is much of an argument developing so far for expanding the SEC.

I see a discussion of Texas A&M here, and that makes little or no sense to me. You bring Texas A&M over here, and one thing you will have done is to bring the biggest set of inferiority complexes in the state of Texas over here. You thereby may get them somehow out of the University of Texas' hair. (I doubt that, even.) It would be like "moving" Auburn to Texas. Texas A&M without a University of Texas to complain about would be like Auburn without an Alabama to complain about. Aggies go to bed gnashing their teeth about UT, and spend their waking hours telling everybody they can about it.

I'm listening to Dennis Franchione right now talking on WWL about this expansion stuff. It appears that some Alabama fans may think that because Franchione "rejected" Alabama for A&M, there must be something special about A&M. Trust me, please. That is a mirage. Franchione left Alabama for A&M, I think, because his wife didn't like Alabama. She must not have liked A&M much either. Don Meredith explained what I'm trying to tell you when he told Bear Bryant years ago, "Coach, if you were anywhere in the worldexcept A&M, (I'd come play for you)." [Bear, p. 124] Bear's comment about A&M fans [p.125] is one I can second the motion on:

"And those doggone Aggies are unbelievable. Aggie Exes, they call them. They make the worst enemies there are. You get two of them together and you get big talking. Just the sweetest, most obnoxious guys."
​

Folks, why do you think Bear Bryant left Texas A&M in 1958 to come to Alabama? He came back home, and left that over there. I say, leave it to them over there. Let Texas and A&M have at it. It's a rivalry, just like Alabama-Auburn is a rivalry. No, A&M is perhaps no longer the "penitentiary" Bryant said it looked like [p. 124], because they are now co-educational. Evidently, the military thing has been toned down, I don't know. But it is still Texas A&M. (If you want to email me for my source of information, you are welcome.)

Bear Bryant went to Texas A&M in the first place because he had come to the conclusion that Kentucky was too small for him and Adolph Rupp, and the only job offer he could find on his desk was from A&M. Bear wrote [p. 123]:

Leaving Kentucky broke Mary Harmon's heart. Worse than that, when she got off the plane at College Station, Texas, she turned white.
​

It is the people who make something successful, from the inside out, not the other way around. Col. Sanders made his company successful because he fried chicken the best. The SEC is the best, qualitatively. Now, if an argument can be made for three, four, or five "Superconferences" forming a "new NCAA," I might well like that idea. I could see something happening on that basis. But all this stuff about why we need to do this and that just doesn't pass muster, as far as I am concerned.

I even heard Bobby Hebert today suggest Miami and Georgia Tech as new SEC members. Miami? Puh-lease!

Wow, you started off with a great point and ended with a great one. I'm not sure what all of that in the middle was. Many of us have read the same books, but it aint the 1950's anymore. A&M has changed a bit since Coach Bryant was there and I'm not sure what that has to do with expansion anyway. Your initial point is right on though Hal, there really isn't a great move to be made now so we shouldn't expand just to expand. I agree 100%. We are the SEC and should only make a move if its our first choice.
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[CrimsonSon]

Wow, you started off with a great point and ended with a great one. I'm not sure what all of that in the middle was. Many of us have read the same books, but it aint the 1950's anymore. A&M has changed a bit since Coach Bryant was there and I'm not sure what that has to do with expansion anyway. Your initial point is right on though Hal, there really isn't a great move to be made now so we shouldn't expand just to expand. I agree 100%. We are the SEC and should only make a move if its our first choice.
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Egg-zachary!

 

[CrimsonSon]

I said it before, the whole thing seemed like we were letting them decide what was best for the SEC instead of us being the blue-print for success. It looks like now they are going to the twelve team format.

 

[MegaVars]

NO! I don't understand why a lot of people thinks just because the Pac 10 goes to 16 teams we should. The SEC made more off of Football last year then the Pac 10 and Big 12 did together. Even if they get five more from the Big 12. The SEC will still be better. The PAC 16 will be a 3 to 4 team league. TV markets only matter if people watch the games.

This is why you go get NC & Duke in the east and Kansas & Mizzou in the west.

BBall revenue that doesn't make your FBall schedule muderers row and brings in tons of TV money from another sport. That would make the SEC the premier conference in two sports.

 

[RollinTider1335]

This is my first post and I first just want to say I have enjoyed reading these boards before I joined. I look forward to being a part of this community.

I do not think SEC expansion is necessary. The Big-10/11 and PAC-10 wanting to expanded is a reactionary move the SEC's dominance in championships, money per school, and talent. They are still playing catch-up. Everyone knows the SEC Champion holds a ticket to the BCSC game. You cannot say the same for any other conference winner. Had the PAC-10 been able to gut the Big-12, the BCSC game would be a PAC-16 and SEC team every year for many in the future.

SEC was a winner in all of this.

Roll Tide brothers and sisters! :BigA: