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Something to think about for next season

REBELZED said:
How did the same technique work so well with Arenas, Jackson, Kirkpatrick, Milliner, et al then?

Fact of the matter is we just haven't had that same caliber of CB's the past couple years. It's been said plenty of times on here. Our starting CB's have been 3/low 4 star converted WR's/"athletes" with one just months off ACL injury. I don't believe there is a coach in the country that could have gotten much more out of those guys this year.

It's not like our coaches have magically forgotten how to coach CB's, and the suggestion that their coaching is in need of some drastic overhaul is pretty ridiculous IMO. Wait and see how we fare with Brown, Humphrey, Fitzpatrick, etc as juniors...
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Ditto. Same technique looked great with previous players.
 
CRMSNtide said:
The whole offense should be really interesting next season.
The WR group gets a huge shake up, but theres no shortage up young raw talent, these guys have been waiting for their turn.
RB will have KD back and Henry and T. Jones in their 3rd years on the team, Bo will be a new piece to use.
Don't know who the QB will be, but hopefully Coker works like crazy this off season.
He's got the size and arm, needs to get the playbook down pat and step up as a leader.
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Take this FWIW (not much really) but most of it comes from info from pretty reliable sources (and I think some of those more connected than I know this to be true):
Coker has the playbook down. Twice this season BS was on the verge of being benched, but he produced. He was Bama's QB because:
1) He was a fifth year senior
2) He did whatever was asked of him and paid his dues
3) The team looked up to him and would not have been happy with Coker, unless BS had flopped (outside of a few games he played exceptionally well)
4) CNS will always reward those who do what is asked of them and all things being equal or close to it, will start a 5th year senior in place of a transfer with 2 years of eligibility (basically a "junior") every time
Coker knows what to do; remember, the "playbook" by LK was what would work for BS. He was not ever asked to do things he could not do. Next years "playbook" will also be customized (if necessary) for whoever the QB will be. My fondest wish is that it is a wide-open playbook, no matter who the starting QB is.
 
twofbyc said:
Take this FWIW (not much really) but most of it comes from info from pretty reliable sources (and I think some of those more connected than I know this to be true):
Coker has the playbook down. Twice this season BS was on the verge of being benched, but he produced. He was Bama's QB because:
1) He was a fifth year senior
2) He did whatever was asked of him and paid his dues
3) The team looked up to him and would not have been happy with Coker, unless BS had flopped (outside of a few games he played exceptionally well)
4) CNS will always reward those who do what is asked of them and all things being equal or close to it, will start a 5th year senior in place of a transfer with 2 years of eligibility (basically a "junior") every time
Coker knows what to do; remember, the "playbook" by LK was what would work for BS. He was not ever asked to do things he could not do. Next years "playbook" will also be customized (if necessary) for whoever the QB will be. My fondest wish is that it is a wide-open playbook, no matter who the starting QB is.
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"Wide-open" is fine with me, if it includes running the back who has the hot hand and it doesn't mean dropping the working running game to prove we can pass from the RZ...
 
You know, we had one of the youngest teams in the SEC and the Country this season.
I'd have to say our team had an excellent season overall. 12-2 ain't nothing to sneeze at.
We have a great coaching staff and a lot of good talent. The team will be alright.
I keep seeing people post about how we "could have been" or were "almost 9-4 (or something similar)". The fact is that we weren't and we did it behind a kid that was never recruited to be a qb but a running back and didn't get moved over to qb until his third year at Bama. I'd say we had a pretty successful campaign this season.
I don't know what we'll do this coming season or on into the future but I'm going to celebrate this team and what they accomplished this season.
I don't think we need any major overhauls or anything. Sure, a little tweaking here and there but wholesale changes?
This next part is obviously not meant for everyone: to any of those who see the "sky is falling" need a different view/perspective. It takes a great amount of luck and getting quite a few breaks to win a NC. We were a break or two from playing on Jan 12th. We wouldn't have won two of our last three NCs without a lot of help, including 4 (yes, count them, FOUR) teams having to lose on the final weekend of the regular season in order for us to even be in the game. An OK State team had to lose to a 5-6 Iowa St team for us to get in.
I guess when you have so much success it just amplifies a little bump that much more ( mountain meet mole hill).
 
REBELZED said:
Fact of the matter is we just haven't had that same caliber of CB's the past couple years. It's been said plenty of times on here. Our starting CB's have been 3/low 4 star converted WR's/"athletes" with one just months off ACL injury. I don't believe there is a coach in the country that could have gotten much more out of those guys this year.
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I've not done the research, but I suspect we have as much or more talent than the 58 teams that finished higher than we did in passing D this season. Many that finished ahead of us probably have zero 4* players in the secondary.

I've said this several times now - if the scheme a coach uses requires 5* talent, he'd better get 5* talent or change his scheme. If he doesn't, you'll have secondaries like we've had the last couple of seasons...

Saban is one of, if not the, best in the business and I hope he'll figure out how to address this. But finishing literally almost middle of the pack of the entire FBS in passing D (when your HC is a recruiting and secondary guru) doesn't feel right...
 
crimsonaudio said:
I've said this several times now - if the scheme a coach uses requires 5* talent, he'd better get 5* talent or change his scheme. If he doesn't, you'll have secondaries like we've had the last couple of seasons...
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Bama will have a sophomore, RS freshman and true freshman that were all 5* CB recruits next fall. I'm sure you knew that.
 
crimsonaudio said:
I do. So at that point there should be no excuses - the secondary should rock. We'll see.

Still doesn't explain the last two years, imo.
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I think talent is the biggest factor in the past two years.

I mean, look at Cyrus, he has improved immensely this year. If he was 6'1" Bama might be playing Oregon next week.
 
CoachJeff said:
I think talent is the biggest factor in the past two years.
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Yah, I totally agree. Which is why I made the point above - if the scheme a coach uses requires 5* talent, he'd better get 5* talent or change his scheme.

Let me be clear - Saban is the best out there, so I'm not insinuating he should be replaced - but there's zero excuse for the performance we've seen from 'his' secondary the last two years. Overall, his coaching this year was simply amazing - winning the SEC with some of the issues we had is fantastic, especially considering how the SECW cannibalized itself this year - but there needs to be some 'feet to the fire' at this point.
 
REBELZED said:
How did the same technique work so well with Arenas, Jackson, Kirkpatrick, Milliner, et al then?

Fact of the matter is we just haven't had that same caliber of CB's the past couple years. It's been said plenty of times on here. Our starting CB's have been 3/low 4 star converted WR's/"athletes" with one just months off ACL injury. I don't believe there is a coach in the country that could have gotten much more out of those guys this year.

It's not like our coaches have magically forgotten how to coach CB's, and the suggestion that their coaching is in need of some drastic overhaul is pretty ridiculous IMO. Wait and see how we fare with Brown, Humphrey, Fitzpatrick, etc as juniors...
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Maybe the offensive coordinators have figured out our guys are trained not to look back and they've started throwing more into coverage??? IDK, really.

But I do know the last couple of years I've seen average qb after qb (Nick Marshall rings a bell) torch Bama by throwing deep balls often into double coverage but the opposing teams receiver is the one who makes the play, not Bama's.

I'm glad CNS is our coach, but it's puzzling we've become so average in this area of our defense.
 
DzynKingRTR said:
as far as receivers go, I think ArDarius Stewart or Cam Sims will be the go to guys. We should just move Howard to receiver.

The DBs and OLine, I am just as stumped as you.
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You know what? That could be a good move, considering the fact that he hasn't work out real well as a blocking TE. Maybe CNS will catch on to that possibility.
 
crimsonaudio said:
I do. So at that point there should be no excuses - the secondary should rock. We'll see.

Still doesn't explain the last two years, imo.
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The bold is the key. We constantly have had the most talented players on defense in the SEC, but our defense is very complicated and if someone cant learn the defense they wont play until they learn it regardless on talent.
 
81usaf92 said:
The bold is the key. We constantly have had the most talented players on defense in the SEC, but our defense is very complicated and if someone cant learn the defense they wont play until they learn it regardless on talent.
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Talent is great. Experience is sometimes better. That's why you see Mid major teams go deep into the NCAA tournament - they have juniors and seniors with experience and chemistry.

If Bama could have 2-3 of these guys that leave early stay each year Bama would have won every game for the last 3-4 years.
 
CoachJeff said:
Talent is great. Experience is sometimes better. That's why you see Mid major teams go deep into the NCAA tournament - they have juniors and seniors with experience and chemistry.

If Bama could have 2-3 of these guys that leave early stay each year Bama would have won every game for the last 3-4 years.
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Just this year we would have had Vinnie Sunseri, Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, Cyrus Kouandjio, Jeoffrey Pagan, and Adrian Hubbard. I think in a way, losing Pagan, Hubbard, and Sunseri was worse than losing Clinton-Dix because I think we all expected to lose him all along. The staff was probably counting on having Sunseri around, at least.
 
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