Politics: Statues coming down II

[mdb-tpet]

Nope. I feel the same way.

I'm continually curious as to why we put up statues of any person, especially those who have tried to subdue a large population through destruction and war. But, I would be far more interested in a statue of James Longstreet from this period, but of course, he has some baggage as well. At least he came to his senses.

 

[Bodhisattva]

The 50’ tall Dignity statue in South Dakota does not qualify for the top ten tallest, but it is beautiful nonetheless. It honors the Lakota and Dakota people rather than any one individual. It is at a rest stop on I-90 on the east side of the Missouri River.

Dignity Statue

I would like to see this in person one day. Unfortunately, by today's hypersensitive standards, the statue needs to go. The Sioux were colonizers, enslavers, and murderers of the Cheyenne, Pawnee, Cree, Crow, Arapaho, Kiowa, Ojibway, Assiniboine, and I'm sure many other tribes tribes. In consideration of the feelings of the non-Sioux, the statues need to go. 🤷‍♂️

 

[Bazza]

There's a new bronze statue across the street from Boston City Hall.....Molly Malone!

Statue of imitation: Replica of Dublin’s Molly Malone unveiled in Boston

Publicans, originally from Donegal and Dublin, wanted to bring ‘true Irish heritage and authenticity’ to their venue

www.irishtimes.com

 

[mdb-tpet]

There's a new bronze statue across the street from Boston City Hall.....Molly Malone!

Statue of imitation: Replica of Dublin’s Molly Malone unveiled in Boston

Publicans, originally from Donegal and Dublin, wanted to bring ‘true Irish heritage and authenticity’ to their venue

www.irishtimes.com

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Those are some nice baskets.

 

[Tidewater]

OTOH, we have to be sensitive to the feelings of nonwhite southerners (past and their descendants)...

It is funny you should write that.
At the ceremony in 1909 when the Albemarle County (Charlottesville) Confederate veterans' monument was dedicated, the Ladies Memorial Association invited the "colored veterans" to attend the ceremony. And those men did attend.

So the conversation allegedly went like this: the spokesman for the LMA went to a leaders of the black community in Charlottesville and said, "Yeah, look, we are dedicating a monument celebrating slavery and what a great thing it was, and further dedicated to the racial inferiority of black people and the superiority of the white race, would your people like to attend and lend your support to such a ceremony?
After pondering for a moment, the leaders respond, "yeah, that sounds like a great idea. We'll be there to celebrate."

 

[TIDE-HSV]

It is funny you should write that.
At the ceremony in 1909 when the Albemarle County (Charlottesville) Confederate veterans' monument was dedicated, the Ladies Memorial Association invited the "colored veterans" to attend the ceremony. And those men did attend.

So the conversation allegedly went like this: the spokesman for the LMA went to a leaders of the black community in Charlottesville and said, "Yeah, look, we are dedicating a monument celebrating slavery and what a great thing it was, and further dedicated to the racial inferiority of black people and the superiority of the white race, would your people like to attend and lend your support to such a ceremony?
After pondering for a moment, the leaders respond, "yeah, that sounds like a great idea. We'll be there to celebrate."

A lot of rethinking has gone on - on both sides...

 

[Its On A Slab]

It is funny you should write that.
At the ceremony in 1909 when the Albemarle County (Charlottesville) Confederate veterans' monument was dedicated, the Ladies Memorial Association invited the "colored veterans" to attend the ceremony. And those men did attend.

So the conversation allegedly went like this: the spokesman for the LMA went to a leaders of the black community in Charlottesville and said, "Yeah, look, we are dedicating a monument celebrating slavery and what a great thing it was, and further dedicated to the racial inferiority of black people and the superiority of the white race, would your people like to attend and lend your support to such a ceremony?
After pondering for a moment, the leaders respond, "yeah, that sounds like a great idea. We'll be there to celebrate."

Reading a letter from an ex-slave to his ex-master, responding to a letter asking him if he wants to come back to work for him.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Reading a letter from an ex-slave to his ex-master, responding to a letter asking him if he wants to come back to work for him.

Eloquent beyond words. He was so intelligent, you can easily see why his old master wanted him back. BTW, his $25 wage would be about $472 today, but a nice wage back then plus his food was free...

 

[Tidewater]

I found this today and I guess it belongs here.
Après le vol de "La Lorraine qui pleure", une nouvelle statue bientôt de retour au monument de Noisseville
The statue, "Alsace mourning," weighed 500 kg (1100 pounds), so it is not like someone slipped it into his pocket.
No word that this is political. 1,100 pounds of bronze is worth some money, however.
The monument was erected in 1908.

 

[Bamaro]

ARLINGTON, Va. (AP) — A Confederate memorial is to be removed from Arlington National Cemetery in northern Virginia in the coming days, part of the push to remove symbols that commemorate the Confederacy from military-related facilities, a cemetery official said Saturday.

The decision ignores a recent demand from more than 40 Republican congressmen that the Pentagon suspend efforts to dismantle and remove the monument from Arlington cemetery.

The statue, unveiled in 1914, features a bronze woman, crowned with olive leaves, standing on a 32-foot pedestal, and was designed to represent the American South. According to Arlington, the woman holds a laurel wreath, a plow stock and a pruning hook, with a Biblical inscription at her feet that says: “They have beat their swords into plough-shares and their spears into pruning hooks.”

Some of the figures also on the statue include a Black woman depicted as “Mammy” holding what is said to be the child of a white officer, and an enslaved man following his owner to war.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I started to put this in its own thread and then I recognized that it fitted in perfectly here. The statues are even mentioned. The most telling remark was by Ken Burns about the Civil War being the only war where the losers were allowed to write the history. I'm sure many will remember I had a GGf in the 1st Alabama Cavalry Union. It's from WaPo, so may be paywalled. I think they allow other ways of signing in through Facebook, Google, and the like, hoping to hook you into subscribing...

The myth of the "Lost Cause"

 

[Go Bama]

Here is Earle's article gifted from Wapo for those who may be paywalled. Excellent and surprising article.

The Myth of the "Lost Cause"

 

[Jon]

I started to put this in its own thread and then I recognized that it fitted in perfectly here. The statues are even mentioned. The most telling remark was by Ken Burns about the Civil War being the only war where the losers were allowed to write the history. I'm sure many will remember I had a GGf in the 1st Alabama Cavalry Union. It's from WaPo, so may be paywalled. I think they allow other ways of signing in through Facebook, Google, and the like, hoping to hook you into subscribing...

The myth of the "Lost Cause"

this is a history that I knew a little of getting small nuggets over the years. I have issues with how Raines ran the times back in the day but very much appreciate what he is doing here. Hope more people come to learn the truth

 

[92tide]

that was a good read. growing up in winston county, i had heard a bit about the free state, but don't recall ever hearing anything more than it being locals fighting with the confederates to avoid conscription.

 

[JDCrimson]

There used to be back in the 90s an outdoor play in Winston County...

Incident at Looney's Tavern

I saw it once, it was pretty good production for around here and did a good job explaining alot of this. It's not as big a secret at the NYT article suggests.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

There used to be back in the 90s an outdoor play in Winston County...

Incident at Looney's Tavern

I saw it once, it was pretty good production for around here and did a good job explaining alot of this. It's not as big a secret at the NYT article suggests.

For me, it was family history...

 

[92tide]

Final Confederate monument in Jacksonville comes down in Springfield Park

After years of debate, the Confederate monument in Springfield Park was taken down on Wednesday.

www.actionnewsjax.com

 

[Tidewater]

Here is a monument trend I can support:

Statue of Shakira in her home town. Pretty woman. Nice likeness.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Freshman Dem proposes bill to remove Statue of Liberty in protest of GOP's 'bigoted' immigration law

Democratic Florida Rep. Maxwell Frost invoked the removal of the Statue of Liberty to attack Republicans' recent efforts to push for stricter immigration policies.

www.foxnews.com

Rep. Maxwell Frost, D-Fla., was mocked on social media Wednesday for telling Republicans to pass a bill to remove the Statue of Liberty along with their "bigoted" immigration law.

A House Oversight and Accountability Committee hearing on immigration discussed H.R.2, the House GOP’s Secure the Border Act, the comprehensive border security and immigration bill passed back in May. The bill would restrict the asylum process for people crossing the border and require resumed construction on the border wall.

The freshman congressman was one of many Democrats who attacked the bill, though he also produced a mock bill to remove the Statue of Liberty for Republicans to also pass.

"My colleagues from the other side of the aisle, let’s be honest with immigrants who deserve better than what you’re offering them. Don’t welcome immigrants if you plan to reject them. If you keep pushing your bigoted H.R. 2 bill, then also pass this bill. I’ve taken the liberty of drafting it for you," Frost said, holding up the draft. "It removes the Statue of Liberty, our largest symbol that tells people to come here."

Rhetorical points can still be funny. Even if this idiot was serious, the best I can do is an indifferent shoulder-shrug.

 

[Bazza]

Yet more ignorance.........

Vandals have defaced two statues in Melbourne on the eve of Australia Day – hacking down a statue of Captain Cook in St Kilda and spray painting a Queen Victoria statue near the Botanical Gardens. “This is terrorism,” Ms Storer said. “I don’t care how anyone paints it; this is like in-house terrorism, plain and simple. “These guys make their agenda known – they’re just going to keep destroying stuff until – until what?”