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It's On A Slab said:
Uh, NYBF. Has the ice storm got you cooped up in the house too long this weekend? Cabin fever hit yet?

Your posts lend me to believe that the dog might get kicked before too long. Not that he probably doesn't deserve it, but...... :cool:
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Worse - house hunting. My wife wants to move closer to her parents... :redface:
 
No, you asked a question in an insulting way, and I responded in kind. In this life, you get what you give.

BTW, still waiting for my answer...
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i asked (jokingly i might add, see the ;) and :p ) if you would be deciding my fate for not going along with what you deem as the appropriate attitude. the response was that i am harmful to the country and dont care and that i just better be glad that i dont have to answer to you. i guess some might see that as equal. maybe i read too much into that. methinks you are way too wound up. ;)

not sure what question you are referring to
 
92tide said:
i asked (jokingly i might add, see the ;) and :p ) if you would be deciding my fate for not going along with what you deem as the appropriate attitude. the response was that i am harmful to the country and dont care and that i just better be glad that i dont have to answer to you. i guess some might see that as equal. maybe i read too much into that. methinks you are way too wound up. ;)

not sure what question you are referring to
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He wants to know if you like split-level or ranch?

Do you like 15-year or 30-year mortgage?

Do you pay the closing costs? :biggrin2:
 
NYBamaFan said:
I'll pose the same question to you and all of the others who are ripping Bush for the war in Iraq:

The Dems have the ability to stop this war now. Please tell me why they are not doing so when they have said that they want the troops home yesterday.
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Easy, they really dont have a good way to get out easily. Dubya has us in a hole too deep. Many republicans would like nothing better than for the dems to end all funding now. That way they can say that the dems aren't supporting the troops and use that in 2008. For some it seems that 2008 is more important than the wellbeing of the troops. The dems are walking a fine line trying to to get us out of the mess that the administration got us into. They seem to be more concerned with the troops than most of the reps.
 
Bamaro said:
Easy, they really dont have a good way to get out easily. Dubya has us in a hole too deep. Many republicans would like nothing better than for the dems to end all funding now. That way they can say that the dems aren't supporting the troops and use that in 2008. For some it seems that 2008 is more important than the wellbeing of the troops. The dems are walking a fine line trying to to get us out of the mess that the administration got us into. They seem to be more concerned with the troops than most of the reps.
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This is intellectually dishonest, and you know it. It couldn't be any easier. They don't have to win a war - they just need to vote. The Dems have the ability to do something, and they refuse. They have said countless times that they think that we are wasting lives there with no hope of victory. When lives are being lost and they have the power to end it with a vote, that makes them directly responsible for those deaths.

Lives hang in the balance. There were marches in the streets of NYC yesterday about this. Many people voted Democrat to get us out of Iraq, and the Dems are afraid to do "the right thing". If the Dems don't cut funding soon, they will be swept back out of power in two years - in spite of Bush's two terms. They are so worried about how they might look that they refuse to do what they know to be the right thing. There is something deeply wrong with that.

Just as I am disgusted at Bush for not forcing through SS and Medicare/Medicaid reform, you should be disgusted at the Dems for not forcing through a cut of all funding to the war in Iraq. The fact that this doesn't bother you says a great deal...
 
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NYBamaFan said:
This is intellectually dishonest, and you know it. It couldn't be any easier. They don't have to win a war - they just need to vote. The Dems have the ability to do something, and they refuse. They have said countless times that they think that we are wasting lives there with no hope of victory. When lives are being lost and they have the power to end it with a vote, that makes them directly responsible for those deaths.

Lives hang in the balance. There were marches in the streets of NYC yesterday about this. Many people voted Democrat to get us out of Iraq, and the Dems are afraid to do "the right thing". If the Dems don't cut funding soon, they will be swept back out of power in two years - in spite of Bush's two terms. They are so worried about how they might look that they refuse to do what they know to be the right thing. There is something deeply wrong with that.
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OK, you tell me. How can the dems get us out now, while not putting our troops lives in more jeopardy, while not sinking Iraq into more chaos. That is the hole that this administration has dug us into. We should have NEVER invaded in the 1st place but now that we are in this mess we have created some responsibility and need to get out responsibily. Especially considering that the dems cant even get a non-binding resolution through the senate because the reps block it!
 
Bamaro said:
OK, you tell me. How can the dems get us out now, while not putting our troops lives in more jeopardy, while not sinking Iraq into more chaos. That is the hole that this administration has dug us into. We should have NEVER invaded in the 1st place but now that we are in this mess we have created some responsibility and need to get out responsibily. Especially considering that the dems cant even get a non-binding resolution through the senate because the reps block it!
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Easy - cut all funding not tied to their withdrawl. This isn't the fall of Siagon. If it is planned properly, it can be done with no more loss of life than we would see if we stayed for the same length of time that it would take to withdraw.

No matter the details of the plan, there is no question but that we will lose more lives if we postpone it, because the withdrawl will pose the same risks, but we will lose more lives in the time leading up to the withdrawl.

If you are convinced that it is a lost cause, you have to demand an immediate withdrawl. There is no room for middle ground here. Either it is a lost cause, or not. If it is, get the troops out. If it is not, stop undermining the troops and their morale...
 
Bamaro said:
OK, you tell me. How can the dems get us out now, while not putting our troops lives in more jeopardy, while not sinking Iraq into more chaos. That is the hole that this administration has dug us into. We should have NEVER invaded in the 1st place but now that we are in this mess we have created some responsibility and need to get out responsibily. Especially considering that the dems cant even get a non-binding resolution through the senate because the reps block it!
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The Reps didn't block it, there just weren't enough going along with it for it to meet the 60 vote minimum for passage. But what does it matter? It's a NON-BINDING Resolution. That means it's not worth the paper it's written on.
"We're going to tell you what some of us think but we're not going to put any teeth into it, so you can continue to wage the war as we originally authorized you to do. " :biggrin:
The 107th Congress authorized the President to wage this war (H.J. Res. 114) and S.J. Res 45).
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:h.j.r.114:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:S.J.R.45:
More documents here:
http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/iraqwar.html#powers

If Congress wants to remove his power to continue waging this war, all they have to do is to vote as such, and remove all funding for the war. The troops can start coming home immediately. However, we all know what that will cost the Iraqis in the short run, and what it will cost all of us in the long run.
So the question is simple: Are the Dems going to go along and let him win this war, or do they just want to make him look bad?
The only thing this resolution shows is political posturing on the part of the Dems. It's obvious they don't have anyone qualified to lead, and they don't want to follow the President, so the only thing they can do is to continue in their obstructionist ways. What a lousy, pitiful joke this congress is proving to be.
 
NYBamaFan said:
Easy - cut all funding not tied to their withdrawl. This isn't the fall of Siagon. If it is planned properly, it can be done with no more loss of life than we would see if we stayed for the same length of time that it would take to withdraw.

No matter the details of the plan, there is no question but that we will lose more lives if we postpone it, because the withdrawl will pose the same risks, but we will lose more lives in the time leading up to the withdrawl.

If you are convinced that it is a lost cause, you have to demand an immediate withdrawl. There is no room for middle ground here. Either it is a lost cause, or not. If it is, get the troops out. If it is not, stop undermining the troops and their morale...
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Bottom line is the administration broke it and now it is up to the congress, both dems & reps, to try and fix it and we all know what a great job congress does fixing things.:rolleyes: One eye will be on Iraq, the other on 2008.
 
Bamaro said:
Bottom line is the administration broke it and now it is up to the congress, both dems & reps, to try and fix it and we all know what a great job congress does fixing things.:rolleyes: One eye will be on Iraq, the other on 2008.
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dems are not going to pin themselves down one way or another, nor are they going to be caught with their backs to the wall on this issue. they will simply continue to bash the administration and offer nothing concrete as to how they would do anything differently.
you can't pin a dem down on anything. they will weasel and spin every time. it's easier to just gripe when there's no alternative plan.

plainly put....what is the democrat party's plan for the iraqi war?????????? has anyone heard what it is????????? do they have a plan?? have i missed it??????
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