Tennstud is coming on Finebaum next

I'm almost certain that's an incorrect statement. However, black, white or purple, TN sucks at turning out Div I. talent. MS most certainly has fewer blacks (lot fewer people) than TN and turns out huge quantities of Div I talent, because FB is an important factor in the MS culture, as it is in AL. My lord, the man lives in Memphis. Has he not even opened his eyes and looked around? In the end, it's the same - he eternally measures his mouth with his foot...

This is the argument that is always given on the local radio show here in Chattanooga. While this may be true compared to AL and GA, the bigger problem is that the Div. I talent that is in the state does not want to attend UT. Bama, UGA and others routinely cherry pick the best talent from TN each year. This appears to be the case regardless of the players' race.

It is almost like there is an unwritten rule somewhere that requires the Memphis talent to go anywhere other that Knoxville which I believe was the driving force behind the whole "Means-Memphis" mess. The UT faithful believed that with BAMA out of the picture in Memphis, the recruits would simply beat down the door to go to UT but that did not happen and they are left scratching their heads.
 
OK, Maybe this isn't the right thread to ask this, but why won't those players in Memphis go to TN? Just curious.
 
This is the argument that is always given on the local radio show here in Chattanooga. While this may be true compared to AL and GA, the bigger problem is that the Div. I talent that is in the state does not want to attend UT. Bama, UGA and others routinely cherry pick the best talent from TN each year. This appears to be the case regardless of the players' race.

It is almost like there is an unwritten rule somewhere that requires the Memphis talent to go anywhere other that Knoxville which I believe was the driving force behind the whole "Means-Memphis" mess. The UT faithful believed that with BAMA out of the picture in Memphis, the recruits would simply beat down the door to go to UT but that did not happen and they are left scratching their heads.

When I was living in East Tennessee, the Tennesseans commonly referred to Memphis as "The largest city in Mississippi." Perhaps that attitude partially explains the failure of UT to attract blacks from the extreme west.
 
This is the argument that is always given on the local radio show here in Chattanooga. While this may be true compared to AL and GA, the bigger problem is that the Div. I talent that is in the state does not want to attend UT. Bama, UGA and others routinely cherry pick the best talent from TN each year. This appears to be the case regardless of the players' race.

It is almost like there is an unwritten rule somewhere that requires the Memphis talent to go anywhere other that Knoxville which I believe was the driving force behind the whole "Means-Memphis" mess. The UT faithful believed that with BAMA out of the picture in Memphis, the recruits would simply beat down the door to go to UT but that did not happen and they are left scratching their heads.
The real problem is geography. Memphis is farther from K-Town than to T-Town and far, far closer to OM. I haven't Mapquested or Googled it, but Fayetteville may even be closer. "State Flagship School" only goes so far. The further kids are away, the looser the ties to the state school. It's just the way it works. However, I believe that, even when you take the kids who leave TN and add them to the ones who sign with some TN school, the total number is going to be pretty disappointing...
 
OK, Maybe this isn't the right thread to ask this, but why won't those players in Memphis go to TN? Just curious.

I will try to answer your question based on my experiences East Tennessee as a whole and Knoxville over the past 20+ years. People usually want to be in an environment where they feel comfortable. As an urban city, Birmingham is very similar to Memphis and is only 45 minutes away from T-town. So, those players have somewhere they can get to quickly that is somewhat familiar to them. No such place near Knoxville.

As a black non-athlete, I felt very included during my 4 years at BAMA. Those were some of the best years of my life and I am 40+ years old. Many black students who were not athletes and some that were that I have known over the years that attended UT don't come away with the same warm fuzzy feeling about their alma mater that I have about mine. Many went because they could not afford out of state tuition and they don't have any association with UT after they graduate.

A major factor that Memphis, Birmingham and University of Alabama have in common is the Civil Rights Movement. I think those events had a positive impact on the future of those places. Those cities and the University are better because of their past and the effort that they put forth to change. East Tennessee for the most part stayed as far away from those issues as possible on purpose.

Here is an example from an UT football standpoint. UT named a street after Peyton Manning before he left. There street is Manning Way (I believe). When UT won the National Championship in 1998 with Tee Martin as the QB. Since the precedent had been set, it was assumed that the QB that led you to your 1st championship in the modern era would get a street, too. When asked about it, UT's response was something to the effect of, "we can't go around naming streets after every good UT player, we will run out of streets". They may have eventually named a street or something for Tee but that first response stays with you. Many UT fans up here will tell you today that Manning paved the way for Tee Martin to win the championship.

The families of the players in Memphis hear this kind of stuff and remember it as well as their past experiences in East Tennessee.

When I was living in East Tennessee, the Tennesseans commonly referred to Memphis as "The largest city in Mississippi." Perhaps that attitude partially explains the failure of UT to attract blacks from the extreme west.

You are absolutely correct that the people in East TN don't consider Memphis as a part of TN. It's like Memphis is a small territory separate from the rest of the state.

The real problem is geography. Memphis is farther from K-Town than to T-Town and far, far closer to OM. I haven't Mapquested or Googled it, but Fayetteville may even be closer. "State Flagship School" only goes so far. The further kids are away, the looser the ties to the state school. It's just the way it works. However, I believe that, even when you take the kids who leave TN and add them to the ones who sign with some TN school, the total number is going to be pretty disappointing...

I think another problem is that many kids in the Memphis area, particularly the black ones, probably don't grow up dreaming of being a UT Vol. In AL, usually kids pick early in life either BAMA or Auburn. This goes back to your argument that pee wee and high school football in TN is just not the same quality as AL and GA, never mind FL or TX. The passion is just not the same.
 
Regarding the Finebaum show today, Phyllis' response to Roy Adams an hour or two later was simply priceless, especially when she referred to Fulmer as "that fat [progeny of an unmarried couple]"...great representative of the State of Alabama she is! :)
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I will try to answer your question based on my experiences East Tennessee as a whole and Knoxville over the past 20+ years. People usually want to be in an environment where they feel comfortable. As an urban city, Birmingham is very similar to Memphis and is only 45 minutes away from T-town. So, those players have somewhere they can get to quickly that is somewhat familiar to them. No such place near Knoxville.

As a black non-athlete, I felt very included during my 4 years at BAMA. Those were some of the best years of my life and I am 40+ years old. Many black students who were not athletes and some that were that I have known over the years that attended UT don't come away with the same warm fuzzy feeling about their alma mater that I have about mine. Many went because they could not afford out of state tuition and they don't have any association with UT after they graduate.

A major factor that Memphis, Birmingham and University of Alabama have in common is the Civil Rights Movement. I think those events had a positive impact on the future of those places. Those cities and the University are better because of their past and the effort that they put forth to change. East Tennessee for the most part stayed as far away from those issues as possible on purpose.

Here is an example from an UT football standpoint. UT named a street after Peyton Manning before he left. There street is Manning Way (I believe). When UT won the National Championship in 1998 with Tee Martin as the QB. Since the precedent had been set, it was assumed that the QB that led you to your 1st championship in the modern era would get a street, too. When asked about it, UT's response was something to the effect of, "we can't go around naming streets after every good UT player, we will run out of streets". They may have eventually named a street or something for Tee but that first response stays with you. Many UT fans up here will tell you today that Manning paved the way for Tee Martin to win the championship.

The families of the players in Memphis hear this kind of stuff and remember it as well as their past experiences in East Tennessee.



You are absolutely correct that the people in East TN don't consider Memphis as a part of TN. It's like Memphis is a small territory separate from the rest of the state.



I think another problem is that many kids in the Memphis area, particularly the black ones, probably don't grow up dreaming of being a UT Vol. In AL, usually kids pick early in life either BAMA or Auburn. This goes back to your argument that pee wee and high school football in TN is just not the same quality as AL and GA, never mind FL or TX. The passion is just not the same.
That is POTD, if not POTM material...
 
OK, Maybe this isn't the right thread to ask this, but why won't those players in Memphis go to TN? Just curious.
I really don't know. I will tell you I am in my mid-30s and always lived in Tennessee, I have never been within a couple of hours of Memphis. I have been to AL, FL, GA, OH, KY, IL, NC, SC, VA, WV, DC, MD....what I am saying is that any drive I have made out of state (1-10 hrs) is fairly comparable to the drive I would have to make to get to Memphis (around 6 hrs).

I think the proximity to Knoxville may have something to do with it.
 
I think the whole talk about "blacks" in context of recruiting is both silly and in poor taste. It just shows general ignorance on the part of Tennstud to try to attribute things entirely to race.

Historically, there is plenty of precedent for minorities and people lower on the socioeconomic ladder to excel at sports. The reason is obvious, if you grow up poorer and with less opportunities the outlet that sports provides (which can be played with minimal resources) is excellent. You can look to Dominicans in the Major Leagues if you want a example of this in play (ironically there is concern over the lack of "blacks" in major league baseball).

I grew up in the Williamson district in Mobile and we were always outside playing sports of some sort. It was just what you did. I moved to the suburbs outside Atlanta when I was 17 and I was started to see how differently people behaved. In my old neighborhood there was always some sort of game going on, in my new neighborhood there was never a game going on.

You don't have to be poor to be good at sports, but you are more likely to use sports as a outlet if you are...
 
I gotta confess that I don't have anything for the Tennstud.
He will only lower the intelligence of the Finebaum show.
It was already on a par with a 25 watt bulb, so it ought to be pretty dim.
 
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