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That racist OU frat

I had a good friend who was SAE at South Alabama in '87. He also happened to be black and, as he revealed several years later, gay. With all this talk about how SAE are bigoted aholes, I can't help but wonder how he snuck in the door. the SAE chapter at South was one of the more inclusive frats on campus in those days.
 
bamabelle1991 said:
These issues aren't because someone is in a GREEK organization. These ignorant jerks are created by parents who fail to teach their children that being a racist is a really bad thing. The Greek system isn't failing these kids, their PARENTS ARE. When you are raised by parents who use racist words and instill racist thoughts into the minds of their children, the cycle is NEVER broken.
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While I agree with your point about parents, these are 18-22 year olds. Whether they had good parenting or not, they should know better. A lot of great parents have kids who make horrible decisions at that age.
 
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PacadermaTideUs said:
I had a good friend who was SAE at South Alabama in '87. He also happened to be black and, as he revealed several years later, gay. With all this talk about how SAE are bigoted aholes, I can't help but wonder how he snuck in the door. the SAE chapter at South was one of the more inclusive frats on campus in those days.
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a good buddy of mine was an sae down there 88-89 ish and one of his friends and frat brothers (also from tuscaloosa) came out several years after graduating college. in my experience, the usa sae guys liked to party, regardless of who you were. i always had a good time with them (most of the time, an entirely too good time)

sae national has been very swift in their condemnation of this act
 
PacadermaTideUs said:
I had a good friend who was SAE at South Alabama in '87. He also happened to be black and, as he revealed several years later, gay. With all this talk about how SAE are bigoted aholes, I can't help but wonder how he snuck in the door. the SAE chapter at South was one of the more inclusive frats on campus in those days.
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I had a frat brother who I always knew was gay, even though I never asked him about it. It was very obvious to me and a lot of other guys. After Facebook became popular, another brother and I were chatting on FB messenger one day and he said, "Can you believe Tom is gay?!?!" I said, "I can't believe you actually thought he wasn't!" :rolleyes:
 
The school president quickly banished the frat and the football coach led a rally against the racists. What more does that guy want them to do before he'd play football there?
 
JBama_in_PCOLA said:
I'm not surprised. I'm not sure why people are. Bigots are alive and well today. It's strange when people thought it only happened in Bama. I screamed it was everywhere and I was right.


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i was not surprised at all. i think what is happening now is a shaming of the kids that did this
 
92tide said:
i agree for the most part and think that this instance over shadows a lot of good that is done by greek organizations; and there will be the inevitable "blame it on the greeks" (because, face it, they are going to inherit the earth).

but in this instance, this particular greek organization seems to be okaying/normalizing this behavior and i saw a lot of the same types of behavior by some of the fraternities when i was at bama. this kid wasn't doing this alone, [seemingly] the entire bus was having a good ole time joining in. and im willing to wager a few bucks that this wasn't the first time this little ditty was sung together by these d-bags and d-baguettes and it has probably been passed down pledge class to pledge class for many years. so its not the greek system that is causing this, but there seem to be lots of kids predisposed to this that end up together in some of the greek organizations re-inforcing each other's putrid behavior. im hoping the punishment for this changes a couple of minds, but i have a feeling it wont and that for a large number of these kids, this will be brushed under the rug as "boys being boys and just having a bit of fun"

the sad part is, if sae at oklahoma is anything like sae at alabama, these kids are going to be business and political (and probably church ;) ) leaders in the future.
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You still proved my point. SOMEONE has to break the cycle. Instead of caving to peer pressure, a member needs to step up and say that THIS BEHAVIOR IS NOT OKAY!! I would bet that some of these members participate in singing that song, but they don't really believe the things they say--they only do it because other people do. Classic peer pressure. Those people need to step up and effectuate change. I hope the National Fraternity will take steps to improve race relations, but it is the responsibility of the parents to raise respectful children. The University can only do so much and I think the fact that they wasted NO time in kicking the fraternity off campus and suspending two students shows they are serious.

All SAE chapters are not like this and there are other fraternities that are so it is a national problem but it all goes back to how someone is raised. It only takes a few to stand up against it to make it stop. Hopefully, that will happen.

I'm not naive--I grew up in South Alabama. I have family members and friends who still use racist terminology, but it is NOT allowed in my house. I teach my children to respect and be kind to EVERYONE, regardless of the color of their skin, where they are from or who they love. I will NOT raise bigots. Too bad everyone doesn't apply those beliefs to parenting.
 
92tide said:
i was not surprised at all. i think what is happening now is a shaming of the kids that did this
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Sorry for the double post, but these kids should be publicly shamed. They should be made to feel tiny and worthless, just as they did to the people they made racist comments about. I have NO sympathy for these kids.
 
bamabelle1991 said:
You still proved my point. SOMEONE has to break the cycle. Instead of caving to peer pressure, a member needs to step up and say that THIS BEHAVIOR IS NOT OKAY!! I would bet that some of these members participate in singing that song, but they don't really believe the things they say--they only do it because other people do. Classic peer pressure. Those people need to step up and effectuate change. I hope the National Fraternity will take steps to improve race relations, but it is the responsibility of the parents to raise respectful children. The University can only do so much and I think the fact that they wasted NO time in kicking the fraternity off campus and suspending two students shows they are serious.

All SAE chapters are not like this and there are other fraternities that are so it is a national problem but it all goes back to how someone is raised. It only takes a few to stand up against it to make it stop. Hopefully, that will happen.

I'm not naive--I grew up in South Alabama. I have family members and friends who still use racist terminology, but it is NOT allowed in my house. I teach my children to respect and be kind to EVERYONE, regardless of the color of their skin, where they are from or who they love. I will NOT raise bigots. Too bad everyone doesn't apply those beliefs to parenting.
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i am in total agreement with you. im guessing there are some parents that will be aghast, and some that will brush it off, or even be somewhat proud of their boy.

i think [hope] that public shaming will go a long way.
 
I wonder if whoever posted the video did it to brag or to whistleblow.


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bamabelle1991 said:
Sorry for the double post, but these kids should be publicly shamed. They should be made to feel tiny and worthless, just as they did to the people they made racist comments about. I have NO sympathy for these kids.
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I agree 100%. Looks like the frat mom was just as racist while singing her inappropriate song.

I guess I am naive. I didn't know people like this existed anymore on a college campus. Do these students have too much time on their hands? Maybe the curriculum should be much more rigorous. Are they having too much free time to party and drink instead of STUDY?

We need a great healer in this country like a MLK, Jr. Is there anyone out there before it's too late?
Our Un-United States needs to UNITE.

I think President Boren has taken charge at Oklahoma. I just hope that UA's President would be pro-active in
this if there is a problem in Tuscaloosa.

Maybe part of a new curriculum should teach all students that there is a RIGHT way to do things and a WRONG way since apparently they didn't get this in earlier life from mom, dad, a pastor, et al.
 
bamabelle1991 said:
These issues aren't because someone is in a GREEK organization. These ignorant jerks are created by parents who fail to teach their children that being a racist is a really bad thing. The Greek system isn't failing these kids, their PARENTS ARE. When you are raised by parents who use racist words and instill racist thoughts into the minds of their children, the cycle is NEVER broken.
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No need to let either off the hook.
 
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