The Better Team Won, Clearly

EastLAGator

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Congratulations to Nick Saban and the Crimson Tide. A truly impressive victory in many respects. There is no longer any debate about which program is dominant in the SEC at this point. A few candid thoughts, take them FWIW from a Gator fan:
  • Saban and staff are a group of professionals who prepare their team to compete at the highest level on a consistent basis. The contrast with Urban Meyer etc. could not be more stark.
  • Bama fundamentals are equal to any NCAA team I can recall in the past couple of decades. Blocking, tackling, coverage, discipline, lack of penalties, hitting are all excellent. Yet again, excellent coaching.
  • Perimeter blocking by receivers and backs deserves special mention -- I cannot remember seeing better blocking by a receiving corps as a group than I did on Saturday. Superior coaching.
  • Bama is a young team so UF cannot use that excuse. A relatively young Bama defensive front manhandled a veteran, highly touted offensive line of Florida. Bama was in Brantley's face all night long. In the long list of immediate causes of the outcome Saturday, this is the most significant.
  • Bama's screen game was fatal to UF at our last meeting -- I would have expected something more effective scheme wise out of our defense to counteract it. Yet, either we did not adequately account for the screen pass, or Bama was able to achieve near-perfect execution. Or both.
  • UF defense was largely able to contain Ingram and Richardson. Turnovers made this significantly less important than it might have been.
  • McElroy is clearly a fiery competitor who made no costly mistakes and did what was asked of him (apart from, one assumes, avoiding contact). He seems to be the recipient of good coaching, and he made the passes when he needed to make them. I still am not drinking his kool aid as I see some deficiencies in his performance that could be costly to Bama down the road. That said, if I were McElroy with that offensive line in front of me, I might hold the ball as long as he does too.
  • John Brantley is in his fourth year in the program, yet makes fundamental mistakes like locking onto his receivers for long moments prior to releasing the ball. Whether this was nerves or poor coaching is hard to say, but either way Brantley was not prepared for the environment.
  • Bama involved its playmakers in unexpected or at least unpredictable ways, in contrast to UF. That is, unless you consider John Brantley a playmaker in the option game.
  • Everyone in the nation including Kirby Smart and myself was aware that a jump pass was imminent when it was attempted. This situational predictability is evidence of abysmal play calling.
  • The repetition of the dive play into the teeth of a smothering defensive front is further evidence of a failed offensive imagination. I cannot imagine a worse strategy than sending a diminutive speedster into the teeth of the Bama defensive front (with tight splits I might add). Demps must be as tough as shoe leather to have held up this long.

Lessons learned:
  • Loyalty is no substitute for productivity. Promoting people such as Steve Addazzio to the point of maximum incompetence without accountability is a sure recipe for mediocrity.
  • Statistics are no substitute for scheme. Meyer's "plan to win" is bankrupt without actual Xs and Os attached to it.
  • Talent is no substitute for discipline or fundamentals. The importance of playing within the scheme and being in good football position could not have been more evident Saturday night.
  • Saban is in complete command of the Bama program.
  • Tim Tebow's intangibles disguised Meyer's lack of command of the UF program for the past 4 years.
  • There is no guarantee UF will make it to Atlanta at this point. We might need Spurrier to self-destruct again to get there. Even if we get there, I see no reason to suspect the outcome will be different, unless one believes that our coaches will be able to come up with a scheme to respond to Bama's strengths that outweighs whatever Saban etc. is able to come up with. Dubious at best.
  • Any top flight WR, RB, or QB that commits to a spread program is making a serious mistake -- unless the offense is coached by Malzahn. The spread philosophy is a poor utilization of the potential strengths of the UF program, both in terms of scheme and recruiting.
  • Cameron Newton would have been a much better candidate to run UF's offense than Brantley. I do not understand the decision making process that spanned the gap between Brantley's recruitment and Newton's transfer -- a decision made not for legal reasons, but because Newton saw that he was being designated as Brantley's backup.
  • All of this confirms large concerns about the strategic vision at the very highest levels of the UF program. Meyer is overmatched by Saban, and I feel that this fact has not escaped either Meyer or Saban. I am not certain Meyer is capable of making the changes needed to become competitive with Alabama again.
If Bama can avoid the pitfall presented by Auburn, I think another MNC is virtually inevitable. Again, congratulations on a superior effort by a superior team.

-- a relatively humble Florida Fan
 
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Thank you very much. I agree that Meyer was overmatched and out-coached. Truthfully though, I expected a better game from the UF team.

What I now think as Meyer's fatal flaw is that he built an offense to surround Tim Tebow's talents and abilities. That worked great while Tebow was there.
Now that he's gone, Meyer is without the leader he depended on for all those years. He's also without the players that he used to pull off so many successes of the past.
The biggest mistake IMO that has been made in Florida football was made last year.
There were so many games in which UF was way ahead and their opponents had little to no chance of catching up. Yet instead of giving his future players valuable playing time, Meyer chose to leave Tebow and the other starters in the game. This made no sense other than providing Tebow additional props for a possible second Heisman Trophy. IMO, the habit of going for "style points" is just another name for running up the score for no other reason than because you can. Now that those guys are gone, last year's youngsters are expected to compete at SEC level, but don't stand a chance against quality SEC opponents.
 
That's a very good read from the Gator guy, kinda makes it hard to poke fun at them.

I noticed Urban didn't cry last night, and he seems to have not retired again either. Maybe he's getting used to Bama beatdowns. :tongue:
 
Nice analysis. I agree with a lot of it, but I think you're a bit too gloom-and-doom on your team. There are a few things that, if they happen, could make a big difference in December:

  • Getting back your playmakers. It will help to have Demps back at 100%. Let's be honest, Rainey is coming back too.
  • Better play from your OL. That's the one aspect of the game that SHOCKED me -- our D-line and backers whipped your O-line. Pouncey looked particularly lost.
  • A more appropriate system for your QB or a more appropriate QB for your system. As you noted, Addazzio keeps calling plays for Brantley like he's Tebow. Either change the playcalling or admit that you need Burton in there to run this offense. I disagree with your poor diagnosis for the spread offense in the SEC, but I do think it is highly dependent on getting the right QB for it to thrive.
  • Fewer turnovers, obviously.

Having said all that, I'm tremendously pleased with Bama's prospects for the rest of the season and in the SECCG!
 
Classy post!

I will say that I thought we were in big trouble in that first opening drive.:eek:
 
Great read.

Urban Meyer is going to haVe to change his offense in order to stay on top. It will probably cause a couple of tough years in Gainesville but for the long term viability of the program under his command it will have to occur. I just don't know if Meyer has it in him to do the changes. I honestly do not see Meyer coaching Florida in three years. I see him out of coaching all together.
 
Thanks. That is one of the best posts ever from an opposing fan...very classy.

You've covered many of the issues I observed as well but here are my thoughts.

First off, I was surprised once again at the underwhelming performance by the Gators. I've watched several of the Florida games this season, and while underwhelmed in those performances and some of the snaffoos that have occured offensively, I expected better preparation or game-planning from UM on this one. We'd heard the Gators were scheming for this one since the off-season. I'm assuming Burton was the new wrinkle and Bama was prepared for it, & once that jump-pass was picked off, he was no longer a factor. Brantley is a solid qb, but not in Meyers option offense.
I have to scratch my head on why he was recruited to play at UF if he can't run the offense that Meyer runs, or why Meyer won't tweak/change his offense to better fit the talent he has. That would include Demps as well. Demps is an amazing athlete, but he is going to get killed having to play in this version of the Meyer offense.

Brantley or the players shouldn't take too much heat on the issues with your team. They are being asked to play in an offense their talents is clearly not suited for. That is on the coaching.
Its awkward to watch, even from an opposing fan. Pouncey is clearly not a center and its not his fault your snaps are a disaster. Its the coaches for keeping him at a position he clearly can't play, and further hindering an already shaky qb.
 
Great, great, great post.

I really hope you stick around on TideFans.

EastLAGator said:
McElroy is clearly a fiery competitor who made no costly mistakes and did what was asked of him (apart from, one assumes, avoiding contact). He seems to be the recipient of good coaching, and he made the passes when he needed to make them. I still am not drinking his kool aid as I see some deficiencies in his performance that could be costly to Bama down the road. That said, if I were McElroy with that offensive line in front of me, I might hold the ball as long as he does too.

Yes, GMAC does hold the ball too long at times, but schematically, CNS would rather him do that, than have him throw the ball into tight spaces.

UF's corners are ball hawks, and we weren't going to take any chances throwing the streak routes last night.


EastLAGator said:
All of this confirms large concerns about the strategic vision at the very highest levels of the UF program. Meyer is overmatched by Saban, and I feel that this fact has not escaped either Meyer or Saban. I am not certain Meyer is capable of making the changes needed to become competitive with Alabama again.

That's the biggest problem. It's part of the "post-Tebow Syndrome." You don't take the best college football player of his generation out of the offense and just expect things to roll along as always. It's human nature to fall into patterns and expect things to happen a certain way, but you can't expect your football players to make a super human play on every 3rd down. The biggest indictment of Meyer is that he had the entire off-season to make it work, and right now, it doesn't. Every player on the UF offense has played one offense the last 4 years - The Tebow option. Now, Florida looks a lot like a team learning an offense for the first time - because they are.


Look. Alabama is obviously ahead of Florida at this point. Fundamentally, we whipped you at the point of attack, but there's hope for the Gators. You guys moved the ball between the 20s, played the run admirably on defense, and controlled the ball in the second half. You did all that on the road.

Aside from that traveling freak show down there in Baton Rouge, the Gator's likely have the best defense we'll play all year. With that D, you'll still win a lot of games. Nick Saban leaves a lot of fan bases and coaching staffs scratching their collective heads, thinking "I thought we had a pretty good football team." You do, even if last night's scoreboard didn't reflect it.
 
The biggest mistake IMO that has been made in Florida football was made last year.
There were so many games in which UF was way ahead and their opponents had little to no chance of catching up. Yet instead of giving his future players valuable playing time, Meyer chose to leave Tebow and the other starters in the game. This made no sense other than providing Tebow additional props for a possible second Heisman Trophy. IMO, the habit of going for "style points" is just another name for running up the score for no other reason than because you can. Now that those guys are gone, last year's youngsters are expected to compete at SEC level, but don't stand a chance against quality SEC opponents.

THIS!! I agree 100%.........always use big leads and a way to get your 2nd and 3rd teamers meaningful experience.
 
Thanks
Good perspective, and great class shown............:cool:

I don't care how good of a coach you are, a HC will miss great assistants who've been in the system for while like Mullen/Strong where. Afraid Bama will have this problem soon because with success comes losing great assistants. This takes time sometimes to get things rolling smoothly again, but I do think Florida is missing Mullen's playing calling. Some tough decision might lay ahead for Meyer with both the OC & QB of the future for y'all.

Good Luck, and both teams still have plenty left on our plates to reach the SEC title game, but we just might play again this yr.


:BigA: ROLL TIDE :BigA:
 
Excellent post, thanks for the props. Nice to see classy, knowledgeable rival fans. I still think Florida is the #2 program in the SEC. They're just having trouble finding their identity post-Tebow.
 
Gary Danielson said on a radio show (Finebaum?) a few weeks ago that Urban Meyer has always run a spread-option with a QB with running ability--at Bowling Green, Utah, and Florida. Going with a pass-oriented offense is so against his nature that, when the chips are down, he reverts back to spread-option concepts, even though he doesn't have the right people this year.
 
Gary Danielson said on a radio show (Finebaum?) a few weeks ago that Urban Meyer has always run a spread-option with a QB with running ability--at Bowling Green, Utah, and Florida. Going with a pass-oriented offense is so against his nature that, when the chips are down, he reverts back to spread-option concepts, even though he doesn't have the right people this year.

That's why CNS is a better HC right now. He's learned to use the offense to accentuate the players, instead of making the players conform to the system.

Brantley = square peg in a round hole.
 
EastLA, that was one classy and insightful post. I really would like for Meyer to be more successful and to remain the cream of the East SEC crop, but to do so he is going to HAVE to break ties with some of his staff and bring in some experienced, new blood to inject new offensive philosophies and strengths. Unlike Saban, Pendry, and McElwain, since Urban's staff is so (relatively) "inbred", for lack of a better term, and also since he is so (relatively) young and (relatively) inexperienced, he doesn't have the luxury of years of diverse experience to guide him when his players turn over. He knows one way---his version of the "Spread"---really well, and since he has always had the "right" personnel (for the most part, except 2005, and this year) everywhere he's been, he has succeeded. A new injection of ideas, and (perhaps) a release of some of his old philosophies would work wonders for UF, IMHO.

I used to view UM as a very egotistical, self-centered Coach. However, something has changed with him over the last few years, and I feel he is going through a "maturing" process as a Coach. As long as he REALLY wants to keep doing it---and I have my doubts right now---and is willing to continue to explore new ideas, I think he can continue to be VERY successful. Whether he does that or not will depend on his true drive to remain a Coach at the very highest level. And he can only answer that question "on the inside" in his deepest soul.
 
That, my friend, was a damn fine post. I think many Florida fans are probably starting to feel the same way. I give you credit for admitting it. You'd probably get filleted for saying it on your home board.
 
Urban Meyer is only 46, right? He's got a lot of years left in him. Getting used to not dominating will be good for him IMO. He'll look more for long-term solutions instead of short-term solutions, like running the same offense he's always run. The think that Urban has on his side is he gets first dibs for the state of Florida when it comes to high school recruits. Miami and FSU don't look like they're going anywhere right now, so Urban automatically has arguably the best talent in the nation at his disposal year in and year out.
 
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