Maintaining a society built on the principles of “freedom” requires discipline and accountability, concepts with which far too many Americans are unacquainted.
The Decline of the DNC III
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"MASKS WILL NOT BE ALLOWED to be worn at protests. What do these people have to hide, and why???"
Will this apply to everyone or do Trump's jackboots get to remain anonymous?
At the time he wrote this, not one guardsman had set foot in LA. Truth just doesn't matter any more and the majority doesn't even seem to care...
OK, so somebody help me on here cause I’m trying to follow this:
Donald Trump sent the National Guard in California, but he didn’t send them into the US Capitol.
Do I have that right?
Donald Trump sent the National Guard in California, but he didn’t send them into the US Capitol.
Do I have that right?
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Wait, didn’t he ask for the guard to be deployed in the Capitol and was turned down?
I realize that a lot of folks don’t like what ICE is doing, but in keeping with the spirit of the thread, I’d like to ask: would any of this be necessary if the corrupt administration that preceded this one had done its job at the border? It seems to me that the best way to avoid “gestapo tactics” is to not put yourself in a position that makes you vulnerable to such.
I warned the Trumpers that if ICE was going to be dragging people out of their homes, the optics would be bad and it wouldn’t matter if the person was a serial killer, child molester or a terrorist. It would seem that I was right again. It is incomprehensible to me that a criminal of the worst caliber can garner sympathy from the press, yet here we are.
I warned the Trumpers that if ICE was going to be dragging people out of their homes, the optics would be bad and it wouldn’t matter if the person was a serial killer, child molester or a terrorist. It would seem that I was right again. It is incomprehensible to me that a criminal of the worst caliber can garner sympathy from the press, yet here we are.
"Trump gave no order to deploy the National Guard that day, and made no effort to work with the Department of Justice to coordinate and deploy law enforcement assets. But Mike Pence did." - Rep. Liz Cheney
Fact Check: Did Pelosi Reject Trump’s Request for National Guard Troops on January 6?
A claim from Donald Trump Jr. is false.
thedispatch.com
"Trump gave no order to deploy the National Guard that day, and made no effort to work with the Department of Justice to coordinate and deploy law enforcement assets. But Mike Pence did." - Rep. Liz Cheney
Fact Check: Did Pelosi Reject Trump’s Request for National Guard Troops on January 6?
A claim from Donald Trump Jr. is false.
Gen. Kellogg: Trump did request Nat'l Guard troops on Jan. 6th; asks Congress to release his testimony
Retired U.S. Army Gen. Keith Kellogg said President Donald Trump requested National Guard deployments in Washington D.C. before Jan. 6, 2021.
americanmilitarynews.com
I trust Liz about as much as I trust her father. That is to say, not at all. I’ve looked repeatedly and there seems to be no credible consensus on this issue.
Yes, it's all Biden's (or his robotic clone's) fault. Was the Biden border policy a mistake? In some respects, almost certainly so. However, much like the DOGE cuts, Trump apologists insist that there was no other way to accomplish the objective. The US Constitution and US law seem to matter when it comes to the Second Amendment, but not so much anywhere else.
Everyone, EVERYONE, is entitled to their constitutional rights. It's not just bad optics, it's despicable behavior toward criminals and innocent people alike. Equally incomprehensible to me is that conservatives/Republicans/Trumpers are ok with it. Trump has destroyed everything conservatives used to stand for.
Agree to disagree about Liz Cheney, but there does appear to be conflicting testimony. I suppose people must decide for themselves which version seems more likely.Gen. Kellogg: Trump did request Nat'l Guard troops on Jan. 6th; asks Congress to release his testimony
Retired U.S. Army Gen. Keith Kellogg said President Donald Trump requested National Guard deployments in Washington D.C. before Jan. 6, 2021.
I trust Liz about as much as I trust her father. That is to say, not at all. I’ve looked repeatedly and there seems to be no credible consensus on this issue.
No, the best way to avoid gestapo tactics is NOT TO USE GESTAPO TACTICS.
Some are simply determined to shift the blame for Trump's actions to anyone but Trump. Is this what they mean by "Trump Derangement Syndrome"?
This is exactly how you should handle Maxine Waters. When she’s looking to exploit an ICE detention facility for a PR stunt, shut the door in her face.
Heh.
Heh.
And that misses the point in exactly the way the present regime wants the public to miss it. Every autocratic regime, as it tightens its grip, ratchet by ratchet, uses the same excuse - "x made us resort to it." The tactics being used have no business, ever, in a democracy, no excuses...
Fair enough, but we survived Lincoln and Roosevelt, so it stands to reason we can get through this. The riots currently taking place in L.A. will provide a litmus test on how far this administration will go to restore order. Perhaps Trump will show the same level of restraint he did during the Floyd riots. I certainly hope so.
Unless, of course, third time's the charm.
But seriously, that's a pretty weak argument to condone strong arm tactics. Even if we accept your contention that FDR and Lincoln did the same thing, the nation and the world has changed so much in the interim that it's foolish to assume that the aftermath will unfold in the same way.
I guess we could examine the motivations of Lincoln, FDR, and Trump regarding their respective actions and decide if those differences, if any, might lead to markedly diverging outcomes.
No.
And who would have turned it down?
(Please don't tell me you're going with the two years later gaslighting of Pelosi).
Also, why would he have sent the Guard to quell protestors who, depending on which Trump narrative I'm being told:
a) was just a field trip that got out of hand (my favorite part of field trips was taking zip ties with me)
b) was a beautiful protest and he told them to "remember this day forever" (obviously not a riot at that time, so why any Guard)
The man specializes in creating alternative histories that always turn him into the hero.
(Lost in whether or not he called the Guard is the fact he lit the fuse I'm told wasn't lit).
Sure, remember that time Lincoln and Roosevelt lost elections, got their supporters to storm the US Capitol, denied that's what happened, and then pardoned those rioters?
Big difference in the disorder in LA and DC on BLM and J6. He wants to antagonize/supress the regions of the country that opposed him. And we see your are okay with this unbalanced governance and freedom. So long as the freeedom you have designed for yourself is not infringed everything is okay...
FDR’s Japanese internment camps may be one of the single worst abuses of executive power in American history. I don’t know how anybody can rationally defend it.
Lincoln… I think it’s more complicated.
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