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Jon said:
I voted for Gary in 12, Harry Brown before that and I was all set to vote for Gary in this one but for the first time ever I feel like I can't risk it

I truly believe that this choice is between ruling class status quo - Hillary and total, complete, chaos in Trump. I think he is extremely dangerous, like America's own Robert Mugabe. It honestly has me a bit twisted up on this one. GA is becoming a swing state and if can help to defeat Trump even if it means Hillary for 4 years and 4 more years of bigger government I may just have to do it.

and I hate it but I know Trump will be a trainwreck and it's not one I am willing to watch
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Jon said:
I voted for Gary in 12, Harry Brown before that and I was all set to vote for Gary in this one but for the first time ever I feel like I can't risk it

I truly believe that this choice is between ruling class status quo - Hillary and total, complete, chaos in Trump. I think he is extremely dangerous, like America's own Robert Mugabe. It honestly has me a bit twisted up on this one. GA is becoming a swing state and if can help to defeat Trump even if it means Hillary for 4 years and 4 more years of bigger government I may just have to do it.

and I hate it but I know Trump will be a trainwreck and it's not one I am willing to watch
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Don't do it, Jon. You can't vote D or R. You won't be able to respect yourself in the morning.
 
Jon said:
I voted for Gary in 12, Harry Brown before that and I was all set to vote for Gary in this one but for the first time ever I feel like I can't risk it

I truly believe that this choice is between ruling class status quo - Hillary and total, complete, chaos in Trump. I think he is extremely dangerous, like America's own Robert Mugabe. It honestly has me a bit twisted up on this one. GA is becoming a swing state and if can help to defeat Trump even if it means Hillary for 4 years and 4 more years of bigger government I may just have to do it.

and I hate it but I know Trump will be a trainwreck and it's not one I am willing to watch
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If you truly believe it is possible in a post-reconstruction period that it is possible that a non southern liberal party nominee would beat a Conservative party nominee then I got time shares in Antarctica that I'm willing to sell to you.

Voting for Johnson would be more productive in sending a message than voting for Clinton in this part of the country.
 
NationalTitles16 said:
You're Not The First To Feel This Way.

Still having problems at times here with the site not wanting to accept spaces. Very weird. Started that way on this response and is working properly after I fixed my reply.
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I think the one thing that would keep Johnson at the top of the ticket is that he has more credibility as a libertarian. Weld seems to be more of a liberal Republican than he will ever be a libertarian.

I've only encountered that once; I copied a <space> from a previous post and pasted between the words. After I did that the space bar started working again.
 
Aledinho said:
I think the one thing that would keep Johnson at the top of the ticket is that he has more credibility as a libertarian. Weld seems to be more of a liberal Republican than he will ever be a libertarian.

I've only encountered that once; I copied a <space> from a previous post and pasted between the words. After I did that the space bar started working again.
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It's very annoying. Just had to copy and paste a space to make this work. Very strange and only here on TideFans.

To be honest many libertarians feel that Gary isn't a "true" libertarian. I can understand being a purist, but sometimes it pays to be a pragmatist. It also doesn't pay to abandon someone because they only agree with you 90% of the time when the alternatives agree with you many fewer times out of 100.
 
Gary Johnson And William Weld Are Fake Libertarians Miseducating The Public

Unfortunately, he never bothered to actually learn what is means to be a libertarian. If you ask Johnson what it means to be a libertarian, he will say “fiscally conservative and socially liberal.” Another way of putting that is half Republican and half Democrat.
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Like Democrats, Johnson is in favor of legalizing only marijuana. Libertarians are in favor of all drugs being legal. Like Democrats, he is in favor of government-sponsored gay marriage. Libertarians oppose government involvement in marriage. Like Democrats, he believes that businesses must cater (literally-he believes Jews should have to bake Nazi cakes) to anyone and everyone. Libertarians believe in freedom of association and freedom of conscience/religion. Like Democrats, he supports funding for Planned Parenthood. Libertarians oppose government subsidization of private organizations. Like Democrats, Johnson is in favor of some gun control. Libertarians oppose restrictions on gun ownership.

The more I read about Johnson, the less libertarian I realize he is. Others are coming to the same conclusion.
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NationalTitles16 said:
meh....red state doesn't think Gary is libertarian enough....
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Watch for redstate to bury Weld today, after he vouched for Clinton's tenacity, qualification, and honestly. To paraphrase, he said that he's known her for decades, that she's a good woman, and deserves someone other than Democrats to vouch for her as a person and candidate. He also said we should ignore Comey's letter, since there's literally nothing there. Oh, and he openly disagreed with the Libertarian ticket's stance on Hillary.

Weld didn't make many friends last night, although he earned a ton of respect from me. If he'd been the Republican nominee, he'd already be picking the new drapery in the oval office.
 
Democrats aren't liberal enough, Republicans aren't conservative enough, Libertarians aren't libertarian enough. :rolleyes: Good! I'll take a moderate any day.
 
sabanball said:
Gary Johnson And William Weld Are Fake Libertarians Miseducating The Public




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I agree with the criticism of Johnson and Weld. However, a "libertarian enough" candidate isn't running. Hell, the watered-down libertarian ticket likely won't get 5% of the votes.

If I'm hungry I'd be thrilled with a juicy rib-eye. The purists seem to say, "If I can't get that rib-eye with a lobster tail, I'd rather have nothing." You have to be pragmatic: take the best that you can get and build from there. And considering the poop-on-a-paper-plate that the current D and R candidates are, and open-faced baloney sandwich sounds delicious right now.
 
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I agree Bodhi. I posted the article because it echoed what NT16 was stating in his "soap box" post relative to the definition of the Libertarian position.

NationalTitles16; said:
The basic premise of libertarianism is very close to classical liberalism: you have the right to do as you please so long as you don't step on anyone else's rights and you have the right to keep what you earn. So it ends up being socially "liberal" and fiscally "conservative".

So if you believe in freedom in all facets of your life then this might be the party for you...
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Actually the only thing different that I took from the article was the estimate of "how Libertarian" Johnson really is..."90%"(NT16's quote below) or "less"(article I linked)

NationalTitles16; said:
To be honest many libertarians feel that Gary isn't a "true" libertarian. I can understand being a purist, but sometimes it pays to be a pragmatist. It also doesn't pay to abandon someone because they only agree with you 90% of the time when the alternatives agree with you many fewer times out of 100.
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I don't even think we have a baloney sandwich as an option, more like the best we got is equivalent to a cup of hot water and old packet of ketchup with the hope/desire that we can make some tomato soup.

Sad state of affairs we're in...
 
CharminTide said:
Watch for redstate to bury Weld today, after he vouched for Clinton's tenacity, qualification, and honestly. To paraphrase, he said that he's known her for decades, that she's a good woman, and deserves someone other than Democrats to vouch for her as a person and candidate. He also said we should ignore Comey's letter, since there's literally nothing there. Oh, and he openly disagreed with the Libertarian ticket's stance on Hillary.

Weld didn't make many friends last night, although he earned a ton of respect from me. If he'd been the Republican nominee, he'd already be picking the new drapery in the oval office.
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True story: Not even near the first time that Weld has said such things during this campaign but now everyone gets apoplectic. I disagree with him, mind you, and think his words not only untrue but unwise. That said, anyone paying attention isn't surprised.
 
NationalTitles16 said:
True story: Not even near the first time that Weld has said such things during this campaign but now everyone gets apoplectic. I disagree with him, mind you, and think his words not only untrue but unwise. That said, anyone paying attention isn't surprised.
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I'm aware he's said similar things in the past. But I admit that this is the first time I've heard an extended interview with Weld where Johnson was not present to take the spotlight. He comported himself very well and struck me as principled, yet pragmatic. I undoubtedly disagree with him on many issues, but I do respect those two qualities.
 
CharminTide said:
I'm aware he's said similar things in the past. But I admit that this is the first time I've heard an extended interview with Weld where Johnson was not present to take the spotlight. He comported himself very well and struck me as principled, yet pragmatic. I undoubtedly disagree with him on many issues, but I do respect those two qualities.
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Gary Johnson and Bill Weld have basically said they differ on many subjects, but Bill supports Gary as the president. Isn't that refreshing for a vp to say than what the butt kissing vp's of Hillary's and Donald's say about their heads? ;)

Just out of curiosity, what issues that Gary supports do you support, respect, if any? :)
 
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