The Republican War on Public Schools (vouchers, religion, graft, testing, etc.)

[Bamabuzzard]

I know a young man I used to go to church with that got into HVAC work. He was a sharp kid. Got a job and did the training at night while working as an assistant for a local HVAC company. He got paid on-the-job training while getting his formal certification. He later moved to a larger city and is killing it as a supervisor for a large HVAC company. He has no student loan debt and the sky is the limit for him. This line of work is in high demand in South Florida. No one is going without AC down here.

A HS friend of mine has a similar story. After we graduated we all went to college. He went one semester and knew it wasn't for him. He attended HVAC trade school while also working as an apprentice/assistant for a local HVAC company. After certification, he worked for said company for several years and then decided to start his own business. He owned his own business for approximately 10 years securing a lot of local apartment complexes as clients. After ten years or so of building up his business, he sold it for multiple six figures and got a government job as supervisor over their HVAC systems. He banked on the sale of his business and now will put 25-30 years in earning secured federal government retirement and benefits for when he retires. Smart guy for someone who didn't go to college but one semester.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

not a personal attack you are here day in and day out supporting Trump, what do you think he wants to do to Unions?

Please show me on this doll where I have endorsed Trump for the presidency even once...or you know, ever. I didn't vote in either 16 or 20.

 

[AWRTR]

Please show me on this doll where I have endorsed Trump for the presidency even once...or you know, ever. I didn't vote in either 16 or 20.

Remember if you aren’t in the tank for whatever the Dems are pushing today then you automatically are full MAGA. There are no other choices or viewpoints.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Remember if you aren’t in the tank for whatever the Dems are pushing today then you automatically are full MAGA. There are no other choices or viewpoints.

I used to be iffy about human cloning, but I have arrived to a point where I want to clone 2 Ron Pauls for the White House, 100 Ron Pauls for the Senate and 435 Ron Pauls for the House. Oh, and while I'm at it, lets clone 9 for SCOTUS.

 

[AWRTR]

I used to be iffy about human cloning, but I have arrived to a point where I want to clone 2 Ron Pauls for the White House, 100 Ron Pauls for the Senate and 435 Ron Pauls for the House. Oh, and while I'm at it, lets clone 9 for SCOTUS.

I liked ole Ron. He wasn’t down with the program and I loved it. He never had a shot to be president but I liked him.

 

[92tide]

luap nor making a comeback.

i did not have that on my 2024 bingo card

 

[Jon]

@CrimsonJazz

I used to be iffy about human cloning, but I have arrived to a point where I want to clone 2 Ron Pauls for the White House, 100 Ron Pauls for the Senate and 435 Ron Pauls for the House. Oh, and while I'm at it, lets clone 9 for SCOTUS.

Ron Paul’s policy on Labor Unions

Ron Paul’s most recent views and policy on Labor Unions in 2025. In response to the question “Do you believe labor unions help or hurt the economy?”, Ron Paul’s response was...

www.isidewith.com

another mostly anti union guy, who isn't running

you voting for Kennedy?

do I have your allegiance wrong? who are you voting for?

 

[CrimsonJazz]

@CrimsonJazz

Ron Paul’s policy on Labor Unions

Ron Paul’s most recent views and policy on Labor Unions in 2025. In response to the question “Do you believe labor unions help or hurt the economy?”, Ron Paul’s response was...

www.isidewith.com

another mostly anti union guy, who isn't running

you voting for Kennedy?

do I have your allegiance wrong? who are you voting for?

I’m not impressed with the Libertarian candidate, so no one. Besides, I live in Alabama. My vote won’t make a difference one way or another.

 

[Jon]

I’m not impressed with the Libertarian candidate, so no one. Besides, I live in Alabama. My vote won’t make a difference one way or another.

appreciate you staying home for this one

 

[CrimsonJazz]

appreciate you staying home for this one

I haven’t voted Republican or Democrat since 2000. Every four years, it’s the same story: two establishment candidates who are absolute trash. I’d say “do better” but I know neither party will.

 

[Crimson1967]

Remember if you aren’t in the tank for whatever the Dems are pushing today then you automatically are full MAGA. There are no other choices or viewpoints.

If I say I don’t like Trump that means I am a socialist libtard that hates America.

 

[Tidewater]

Related point, a kinsman of mine works for the NY City School System processing certain claims.

In NYC, if your kid has a learning disability, the NYC School System has a responsibility to accommodate him/her. Here's the catch: the parents get to determine whether the accomodation is satisfactory or not. If the accommodation is not acceptable, then the parents can find an acceptable accommodation, including in private religious school.

Here's the kicker: the city has to pay the tuition at the "acceptable" school, so guess what is happening? Parents do not want their kids to go to public school, find a doctor willing to declare junior in writing to have a learning disability, parents declare the public school accommodation unsat, and junior ends up at a very expensive private religious school.

Shlomo Heimovitz and Avigail Rosenberg all have "learning disabilities."

God only knows how much this costs NY City School, but it is NY City money so I do not much care.

 

[92tide]

Related point, a kinsman of mine works for the NY City School System processing certain claims.

In NYC, if your kid has a learning disability, the NYC School System has a responsibility to accommodate him/her. Here's the catch: the parents get to determine whether the accomodation is satisfactory or not. If the accommodation is not acceptable, then the parents can find an acceptable accommodation, including in private religious school.

Here's the kicker: the city has to pay the tuition at the "acceptable" school, so guess what is happening? Parents do not want their kids to go to public school, find a doctor willing to declare junior in writing to have a learning disability, parents declare the public school accommodation unsat, and junior ends up at a very expensive private religious school.

Shlomo Heimovitz and Avigail Rosenberg all have "learning disabilities."

God only knows how much this costs NY City School, but it is NY City money so I do not much care.

georgia has this program

Georgia Special Needs Scholarship – Georgia Department of Education

The Georgia Special Needs Scholarship (GSNS) program provides scholarships for qualifying Georgia public school students with an Individualized Education Plan

www.gadoe.org

 

[Tidewater]

georgia has this program

Georgia Special Needs Scholarship – Georgia Department of Education

The Georgia Special Needs Scholarship (GSNS) program provides scholarships for qualifying Georgia public school students with an Individualized Education Plan

www.gadoe.org

I suspect that a number of the kids with "learning disabilities" really just have parents of limited means who still want their kids to go to a private religious school, but have the state pay for it.

I have no problem with parents sending their kids to a private school, but they should pay the tuition.

 

[Go Bama]

Related point, a kinsman of mine works for the NY City School System processing certain claims.

In NYC, if your kid has a learning disability, the NYC School System has a responsibility to accommodate him/her. Here's the catch: the parents get to determine whether the accomodation is satisfactory or not. If the accommodation is not acceptable, then the parents can find an acceptable accommodation, including in private religious school.

Here's the kicker: the city has to pay the tuition at the "acceptable" school, so guess what is happening? Parents do not want their kids to go to public school, find a doctor willing to declare junior in writing to have a learning disability, parents declare the public school accommodation unsat, and junior ends up at a very expensive private religious school.

Shlomo Heimovitz and Avigail Rosenberg all have "learning disabilities."

God only knows how much this costs NY City School, but it is NY City money so I do not much care.

I don't have any problem with what the system is trying to accomplish. I do have a problem with people who abuse the system. Perhaps have more than one doctor, one of which works for the state, do the student evaluation.

 

[Tidewater]

I don't have any problem with what the system is trying to accomplish. I do have a problem with people who abuse the system. Perhaps have more than one doctor, one of which works for the state, do the student evaluation.

There's the rub. The parents get to determine sufficiency (which is fine) but that determination leads directly to enormous additional public expense.
I think once the system has made a reasonable attempt at accommodation, the system's responsibility ends. If the parents say, "Not good enough," then the state should say. "Okay, then what happens next is at your expense."

I suspect that a lot of these students' parents just wanted Junior to go to a private religious school at tax-payer expense.

 

[81usaf92]

A major issue is the way teachers have been demonized by the right. Coupled with school administrations that frequently do not support their own teachers, and the result is good teachers leaving the profession and potentially good teachers deciding to do something else.

My mom was principal at a Title I elementary school. The school consistently did better than the other elementary schools in the district. When someone asked Mom how she did it, she said, "I hire good teachers and then I get out of their way."

We have differences in what and how things should be taught, I know. But if we can't address the disrespect targeted at teachers, you'll have a hard time fixing anything else.

Well the left also has made being a teacher a hard profession too. Pouring loads and loads of money into failing schools and trying to take discipline out of the classroom and replacing it with total constructivist thought has hurt the profession. Then the constant calls for general Ed teachers to be sex Ed instructors and to be Special education instructors is another issue.

Yes the right has made open war against public education for no real logical reason whatsoever. But the left has played an important part as well in terms of burnout as well. Personally I believe when the government became super involved in test scores and didn’t let schools actually fail it opened the door for kids being out of control, administrators caring only about politics, and for the teacher shortage altogether.

 

[Huckleberry]

There's the rub. The parents get to determine sufficiency (which is fine) but that determination leads directly to enormous additional public expense.
I think once the system has made a reasonable attempt at accommodation, the system's responsibility ends. If the parents say, "Not good enough," then the state should say. "Okay, then what happens next is at your expense."

I suspect that a lot of these students' parents just wanted Junior to go to a private religious school at tax-payer expense.

I agree. Frankly, not one penny of taxpayer money should ever go to any religious school/church, no matter the rationale. The hatred and bigotry common in many of these organizations (not to mention the theological grooming) should not be encouraged or funded by the government.

 

[AWRTR]

I agree. Frankly, not one penny of taxpayer money should ever go to any religious school/church, no matter the rationale. The hatred and bigotry common in many of these organizations (not to mention the theological grooming) should not be encouraged or funded by the government.

Would you include synagogues and mosques along with any schools associated with those faiths as well?

Can you define theological grooming for me?

 

[81usaf92]

I agree. Frankly, not one penny of taxpayer money should ever go to any religious school/church, no matter the rationale. The hatred and bigotry common in many of these organizations (not to mention the theological grooming) should not be encouraged or funded by the government.

I have far more of an issue of vouchers going to homeschools and charter schools than to private schools. Most private schools aren’t the boogeyman indoctrination plants that the left makes them out to be.