The Walking Dead
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As a staunch defender of the show for years, I waited until after this season was over to give my critique because I kept hoping they could redeem themselves. They didn't.
The deaths in episode 1 were fine, it followed the comics and showed just how dark and twisted Negan could be. Everything else about the episode was garbage. The way walkers can fall on a secondary character and/or fight them like they're a professional wrestler while major characters can just walk through a horde unscathed is just stupid. Rick in episode one was able to just basically walk through them at his own convenience. We saw this again later in the season when Rick & Michonne escaped through a horde after they mowed down hundreds of zombies on the highway with a wire (which admittedly was a cool scene.)
Our heroes being basically invincible against walkers is an easy problem to fix, either let some of them occasionally get bitten or else just don't put them in those situations as writers. When is the last time a main character was bitten? Has it been a full season? Meh.
The trash people. The stupidity of the trash people is beyond anything I thought this show could sink to. It feels as hokey as anything the Sy-Fy channel has ever put out. The stupid way they look, the stupid place they live, the stupid way they talk. It's almost like everyone in the trash cult got together the day after the outbreak and said "Hey, what if we ran our cult exactly the way every cheesy apocalyptic movie portrayed? Let'***** every stereotype every movie has ever shown."
The way they talk irritates me to no end. The stupid leader with the terrible hair can barely speak english, like somehow she's forgotten how speech works in the 2-3 years since the outbreak began. I can't stress enough how terrible and awkward and stupid this is. When they showed up, that was it for me, the show can never be the same.
The Kingdom. I've read every comic, so I knew they were coming. I knew King Ezekial was on his way and somehow the comics made it work. Maybe it's because in the comics, his dialect didn't come through? His vocabulary, while absurd, isn't what makes it so cheesy. It's like he's cos-playing. It would be like if you or I went to a Renaissance Faire on a whim and began talking as absurdly as we could just so we could get a few laughs out of each other. His vocabulary is a stretch but it's at least believable. The way he talks makes me want everyone in The Kingdom to die. You don't deserve to live if you're stupid enough to cosplay in the apocalypse.
Even Rick... Rick of the comics is basically Liam Neeson in Taken. Rick in the show is totally neutered. He only gets out of bad situations becasue of luck. Outside of ripping the guys throat out 4 seasons ago and beating to death the cannibals a few seasons back, he's not Rick. He can't outsmart anyone. He has to rely on luck or other people, and that's a shame. The hero of the show is no hero, he's just lucky. Cocky when you're Michael Jordan is one thing, lucky and cocky is another thing entirely. Rick isn't Rick.
I could go on, but I don't want this post to turn into a 4,000 word essay. Suffice it to say this show has completely fallen off a cliff. It had so much potential, and such a large audience. They've gone from a peak of 17 million per week in season 5 to averaging 11 million in season 7 (and most of that average came from everyone tuning in to see the deaths in episode one). After episode 1, an average of roughly 10 million people tuned in each week. Obviously I'm no TV writer, but it seems easy enough to retain that audience by doing 2 things. Don't jerk everyone around with cliffhangers every few episodes. There's no need, we're already committed to your show, a ratings grab on a show with this many viewers is just greedy. And 2, don't be cheesy. AMC has prided itself on it's gritty and real characters, yet in a show that should be the grittiest, the characters keep getting less real. You do those 2 things and I have a feeling the rest falls into place.
Anyway, I'm not done with the show. I've invested 7 seasons, so I want to see how it plays out, but it's not must see for me anymore, and I found myself fast-forwarding large parts of the second half of the season this Spring just so I could get to the point of the episode. 60 minutes to tell a 5 minute story is just flat out bad storytelling.
ETA: Negan is the only redeeming thing about season 7. If not for him, I'd bet the average viewership would have dropped another 20-30%. He's been fantastic.
The deaths in episode 1 were fine, it followed the comics and showed just how dark and twisted Negan could be. Everything else about the episode was garbage. The way walkers can fall on a secondary character and/or fight them like they're a professional wrestler while major characters can just walk through a horde unscathed is just stupid. Rick in episode one was able to just basically walk through them at his own convenience. We saw this again later in the season when Rick & Michonne escaped through a horde after they mowed down hundreds of zombies on the highway with a wire (which admittedly was a cool scene.)
Our heroes being basically invincible against walkers is an easy problem to fix, either let some of them occasionally get bitten or else just don't put them in those situations as writers. When is the last time a main character was bitten? Has it been a full season? Meh.
The trash people. The stupidity of the trash people is beyond anything I thought this show could sink to. It feels as hokey as anything the Sy-Fy channel has ever put out. The stupid way they look, the stupid place they live, the stupid way they talk. It's almost like everyone in the trash cult got together the day after the outbreak and said "Hey, what if we ran our cult exactly the way every cheesy apocalyptic movie portrayed? Let'***** every stereotype every movie has ever shown."
The way they talk irritates me to no end. The stupid leader with the terrible hair can barely speak english, like somehow she's forgotten how speech works in the 2-3 years since the outbreak began. I can't stress enough how terrible and awkward and stupid this is. When they showed up, that was it for me, the show can never be the same.
The Kingdom. I've read every comic, so I knew they were coming. I knew King Ezekial was on his way and somehow the comics made it work. Maybe it's because in the comics, his dialect didn't come through? His vocabulary, while absurd, isn't what makes it so cheesy. It's like he's cos-playing. It would be like if you or I went to a Renaissance Faire on a whim and began talking as absurdly as we could just so we could get a few laughs out of each other. His vocabulary is a stretch but it's at least believable. The way he talks makes me want everyone in The Kingdom to die. You don't deserve to live if you're stupid enough to cosplay in the apocalypse.
Even Rick... Rick of the comics is basically Liam Neeson in Taken. Rick in the show is totally neutered. He only gets out of bad situations becasue of luck. Outside of ripping the guys throat out 4 seasons ago and beating to death the cannibals a few seasons back, he's not Rick. He can't outsmart anyone. He has to rely on luck or other people, and that's a shame. The hero of the show is no hero, he's just lucky. Cocky when you're Michael Jordan is one thing, lucky and cocky is another thing entirely. Rick isn't Rick.
I could go on, but I don't want this post to turn into a 4,000 word essay. Suffice it to say this show has completely fallen off a cliff. It had so much potential, and such a large audience. They've gone from a peak of 17 million per week in season 5 to averaging 11 million in season 7 (and most of that average came from everyone tuning in to see the deaths in episode one). After episode 1, an average of roughly 10 million people tuned in each week. Obviously I'm no TV writer, but it seems easy enough to retain that audience by doing 2 things. Don't jerk everyone around with cliffhangers every few episodes. There's no need, we're already committed to your show, a ratings grab on a show with this many viewers is just greedy. And 2, don't be cheesy. AMC has prided itself on it's gritty and real characters, yet in a show that should be the grittiest, the characters keep getting less real. You do those 2 things and I have a feeling the rest falls into place.
Anyway, I'm not done with the show. I've invested 7 seasons, so I want to see how it plays out, but it's not must see for me anymore, and I found myself fast-forwarding large parts of the second half of the season this Spring just so I could get to the point of the episode. 60 minutes to tell a 5 minute story is just flat out bad storytelling.
ETA: Negan is the only redeeming thing about season 7. If not for him, I'd bet the average viewership would have dropped another 20-30%. He's been fantastic.
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Don't really want to get into trying to respond to everything in your post but did want to comment on this.
He is cosplaying. That was made clear in the comics & show. It is tougher to swallow in the show but that's part of the point. I felt that way about the Kingdom most of the time in the comics as well (as far as kind of hoping they'd die because of it).
I just watched the last episodes I missed. Some observations:
1. they made Eugene a coward and no one will care of they kill him off
2. Rick continues to do stupid things. How anyone like this could ever survive an apocalypse is beyond rational thought.
3. The garbage lady propositioning Rick was just funny. Speaking of the garbage lady and the garbage people in general, who would want to hit that? She chooses to live in garbage. I wouldn't think she would be very hygienic. Let's just say she most likely doesn't smell like a July night.
4. How did the tiger know who to attack?
5. Again speaking of the garbage lady, why were she and Rick just standing there after everybody started shooting?
6.Did writers and Rick forget he got shot?
7. The show runner and writers will continue to have 16 episode season and 12 of them will be filler/bottle episodes, 2 will be decent and the other 2 will be the half season finale and the finale.
8. They need to stray from the comics a kill off a character not dead in the comics.
9. I have invested 7 years in this show, I am trying to finish it. The writers are making it hard. I will most likely only watch when I can binge it so I can skip over the filler.
1. they made Eugene a coward and no one will care of they kill him off
2. Rick continues to do stupid things. How anyone like this could ever survive an apocalypse is beyond rational thought.
3. The garbage lady propositioning Rick was just funny. Speaking of the garbage lady and the garbage people in general, who would want to hit that? She chooses to live in garbage. I wouldn't think she would be very hygienic. Let's just say she most likely doesn't smell like a July night.
4. How did the tiger know who to attack?
5. Again speaking of the garbage lady, why were she and Rick just standing there after everybody started shooting?
6.Did writers and Rick forget he got shot?
7. The show runner and writers will continue to have 16 episode season and 12 of them will be filler/bottle episodes, 2 will be decent and the other 2 will be the half season finale and the finale.
8. They need to stray from the comics a kill off a character not dead in the comics.
9. I have invested 7 years in this show, I am trying to finish it. The writers are making it hard. I will most likely only watch when I can binge it so I can skip over the filler.
Plenty die in the comics, matter of fact there are some still living in the show that are dead in the comic and vice versa. They have to stop the filler episodes because the numbers show a sharp decline midway through and then everyone shows up for the first and last episode of every season.
I also hate they make Eugene a coward in the show because he's pretty cool in the comics even though he is "quirky" in it too. Not to mention the guy that plays Eugene is actually a funny guy and good actor to boot. Father Gabriel is totally different too, but at least he is becoming what he is in the comic which is a total bad (you know what).
There is just no way this show makes it 2 more seasons with the way things are right now. Something has to change pretty soon....
I also hate they make Eugene a coward in the show because he's pretty cool in the comics even though he is "quirky" in it too. Not to mention the guy that plays Eugene is actually a funny guy and good actor to boot. Father Gabriel is totally different too, but at least he is becoming what he is in the comic which is a total bad (you know what).
There is just no way this show makes it 2 more seasons with the way things are right now. Something has to change pretty soon....
For those "fans" of that creepy leader of the "garbage people", rejoice because she has been upgraded to series regular for next season. Yeah? SMH.
Also upgraded to series regular are Steven Ogg (Simon) and Katelyn Nacon (Enid).
Also upgraded to series regular are Steven Ogg (Simon) and Katelyn Nacon (Enid).
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There are some messed up people watching this show. The guy who plays Eugene has gotten death threats on social media.
When we did the tour we heard some horror stories as well. People being all creepy with houses that people live in but were filmed on the show (especially the Carl with the chocolate pudding house). One lady bit Norman Reedus at one of the events. Another lady had showed up to marry Daryl Dixon -- not Norman Reedus, Daryl and wouldn't leave. Another person had broken into someone's house where they could see out of a window onto the set and didn't understand what they had done wrong when the police came.
Unfortunately there are tons of people that can't tell fact from fiction anymore (and it goes way beyond just this one show's fans) and for some reason aren't locked up in a padded cell.
Yep. I heard about the lady that bit Reedus. I hadn't heard about the one that wanted to marry Daryl Dixon. Sounds like she took the Dixon's Vixens (yes that is a thing) to a whole new level of crazy.
I have always wondered what the hell these people think when they see these actors in other stuff?
Guess nobody else here watched the season 3 premier of FTWD?
Missed Travis take a dive out of a helicopter.
Missed Travis take a dive out of a helicopter.
I gave up on FTWD, the first two seasons were simply not very good. Yesterday I decided to watch the first three episodes of season three. I didn't have much hope, but to my surprise all three were significantly better than any episode of the preceding seasons. Just an FYI.
JBama_in_PCOLA
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I gotta catch up but I've only missed Last Sunday's episode. I'll keep watching it. It appears that FTWD and TWD will never cross over.
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Rumor has it Abraham is going to pop up on FTWD, for anyone who cares. (Remember, FTWD is set in the TWD past, so this like pre-Rick's group Abraham.)
I will force myself to watch the premier, but that's likely the only episode I will watch unless the quality is better.
I will force myself to watch the premier, but that's likely the only episode I will watch unless the quality is better.
I may be done with the show. I don't seem to care about the premier tonight. Part of it could be that I will be on a flight tomorrow to Maui and part could be that the show just isn't that good anymore.
JBama_in_PCOLA
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It’s back. I didn’t finish Fear over the summer. I will catch that later on.
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A little Maui wowie and you'll be back to normal.....
You know, the main problem I have is with Rick being such a wuss. If he would grow a pair, I could handle things much better.
That said....have a great time on your vaca and please post a few pics on the photo thread when you return!
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