Trump Policies, part IX

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Let me tell you something: there are fewer more ghastly ways to die slowly, but relatively quickly (e.g. not burning, etc) than a Tylenol overdose.
 
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what they pushed out is an insane and dangerous concept. pointing this out is not "tds"
No, I get that, I said as much above.

My point is so many are laughing about the idea that acetaminophen might actually be causal to neurodivergence, and the reality is the only reason they're responding this way is because Trump said it. We don't actually know.

But I 100% agree it was stupid to suggest it without actual studies / proof.
 

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No, I get that, I said as much above.

My point is so many are laughing about the idea that acetaminophen might actually be causal to neurodivergence, and the reality is the only reason they're responding this way is because Trump said it. We don't actually know.

But I 100% agree it was stupid to suggest it without actual studies / proof.
the idea that acetaminophen might be causal to neurodivergence is not what trump is saying. people are laughing at trump and rfk jr being buffoons. so yeah, i guess in a way, they're responding this way because trump said it.
 
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Is it painful? I've never really thought about it.
It’s catastrophic liver failure over about 10-14 days as your body shuts down. What happens is you have these teenagers who pull the old pill taking to get attention and while aspirin is bad, rarely will even a whole bottle kill you. But a lot of them think Tylenol is the same thing. And so by the time it’s been figured out, they no longer want to die, and they don’t have any choice to live. It’s basically like suddenly getting liver, cancer and dying rapidly from it.

Years ago, emergency rooms developed a protocol, where if they even suspect it, they’ll treat it. You have about four hours to get the antidote into the GI tract and attempt to inactivate the dosage.

Chemistry - antifreeze (to use a parallel) isn’t what kills you; it’s the chemical reactions of your liver enzymes that produce toxic compounds (like ammonia in the case of antifreeze) that kill you. The key is to prevent the liver breaking down the original substance into more lethal ones. You try to get it to excrete out the kidneys before the chemical breakdown, which sometimes may put a person on dialysis for the rest of their lives, but they are alive.
 

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Too much dihydrogen monoxide can certainly kill... that is water! Hyponatremia can cause necrosis in the brain. Very bad.

Tylenol extra strength was brought out in the 1970s and is perilously close to a toxic dose. You can spill over with other issues that effect the liver and alcohol consumption can kill you at the maximum dose of 4 grams (8 tabs) per day if you drink heavily. I've seen a couple of Tylenol deaths and they are awful.

It is a good point to be made that there are questions about acetaminophen in pregnancy. Earlier studies suggested a potential role for a relation to autism and neurodivergence, but the confounding factors are extremely difficult to work through. Women who take lots of acetaminophen typically have multiple medical issues, substance use, and other issues that affect the risk of autism.

The larger and more methodologically rigorous single studies in the last few years show very little effect or no effect. Particularly the large Swedish study reported just a few years ago.

We also know from the net sum of research into causation that 50-90% (likely about 80%) of the risk is from genetic factors. Other factors such as advanced maternal age have also been found.

Therefore, if acetaminophen plays a role in influencing autistic risk, it is very small and almost certainly doesn't outweigh the risk of appropriately dosed acetaminophen usage in pregnancy. It is not a primary cause of the disorder!

All of life is a trade off between risks.
 

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President Donald Trump is reportedly scrambling to sway the three Republican congresswomen who signed the petition to force a vote ordering the release of all government files related to Jeffrey Epstein.
Bad Donnie! Bad, Bad Donnie!!



Seriously, he needs to stop this. I realize that a lot of the Dems who voted for this are going to be crapping peach pits if it actually goes through, but that's the price you pay for playing this dangerous game. Most of these people are clearly protecting donors and who knows what-else.
 

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Too much dihydrogen monoxide can certainly kill... that is water! Hyponatremia can cause necrosis in the brain. Very bad.

Tylenol extra strength was brought out in the 1970s and is perilously close to a toxic dose. You can spill over with other issues that effect the liver and alcohol consumption can kill you at the maximum dose of 4 grams (8 tabs) per day if you drink heavily. I've seen a couple of Tylenol deaths and they are awful.

It is a good point to be made that there are questions about acetaminophen in pregnancy. Earlier studies suggested a potential role for a relation to autism and neurodivergence, but the confounding factors are extremely difficult to work through. Women who take lots of acetaminophen typically have multiple medical issues, substance use, and other issues that affect the risk of autism.

The larger and more methodologically rigorous single studies in the last few years show very little effect or no effect. Particularly the large Swedish study reported just a few years ago.

We also know from the net sum of research into causation that 50-90% (likely about 80%) of the risk is from genetic factors. Other factors such as advanced maternal age have also been found.

Therefore, if acetaminophen plays a role in influencing autistic risk, it is very small and almost certainly doesn't outweigh the risk of appropriately dosed acetaminophen usage in pregnancy. It is not a primary cause of the disorder!

All of life is a trade off between risks.
My wife almost died of hyponatremia. She has had problems with kidney stones and tends to over-hydrate because of it. She also has sodium-sensitive hypertension, so she tends to avoid salt anyway. She had a colonoscopy and then started to excrete a stone. I was not aware of the amount of water she'd drunk until she started to lose coherence. In the ER, she threw a grand mal and then lapsed into a coma. After a bunch of tests, mostly aimed toward stroke, then analyzing her electrolytes, they were supplementing her sodium as fast as they could. I couldn't spend the night at NICU, but I didn't really sleep, anyway. I can't describe the feeling the next morning, when she opened her eyes and sleepily said "Good Morning." She thinks her memory is slightly damaged as a result of the episode...
 
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My wife almost died of hyponatremia. She has had problems with kidney stones and tends to over-hydrate because of it. She also has sodium-sensitive hypertension, so she tends to avoid salt anyway. She had a colonoscopy and then started to excrete a stone. I was not aware of the amount of water she'd drunk until she started to lose coherence. In the ER, she threw a grand mal and then lapsed into a coma. After a bunch of tests, mostly aimed toward stroke, then analyzing her electrolytes, they were supplementing her sodium as fast as they could. I couldn't spend the night at NICU, but I didn't really sleep, anyway. I can't describe the feeling the next morning, when she opened her eyes and sleepily said "Good Morning." She thinks her memory is slightly damaged as a result of the episode...
My brother in law recently lost a kidney due to cancer and his remaining "good" kidney is about 30% effective. He has eliminated nearly all sodium intake and drinks a ton of water. I'm going to clip and save this post and show it to him. Last time I tried to warn him that too much water intake can be bad for you, he blew me off with a grunt.
 

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My wife almost died of hyponatremia. She has had problems with kidney stones and tends to over-hydrate because of it. She also has sodium-sensitive hypertension, so she tends to avoid salt anyway. She had a colonoscopy and then started to excrete a stone. I was not aware of the amount of water she'd drunk until she started to lose coherence. In the ER, she threw a grand mal and then lapsed into a coma. After a bunch of tests, mostly aimed toward stroke, then analyzing her electrolytes, they were supplementing her sodium as fast as they could. I couldn't spend the night at NICU, but I didn't really sleep, anyway. I can't describe the feeling the next morning, when she opened her eyes and sleepily said "Good Morning." She thinks her memory is slightly damaged as a result of the episode...
Yikes! I hope that stays settled. There are a good number of health influencers who push way more hydration than a typical person needs. Plus, you need salt if you push it. When I'm out mountain biking I'll use salt replacements for longer rides.
 
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It is a good point to be made that there are questions about acetaminophen in pregnancy.

Therefore, if acetaminophen plays a role in influencing autistic risk, it is very small
Yes, but these clowns are like the Vietnam veteran who weighs over 400 pounds and had an A1C of 8.4 and is clearly diabetic secondary to obesity and wants his disability increased "because I was exposed to Agent Orange!"

And btw, like most dweebs nowadays, Trump and RFK2 are NOT "asking questions" because nobody who says that is EVER "just asking questions," they're being deceitful little snits, gutless cowards who are trying to INSINUATE a position from which they can retreat with "I never said that" while drawing every like-minded fool into their army to make the case for them.

(And before it's necessary - I am NOT referring to any posters on this thread or even this board, I'm talking generally. I might question whether an immediate answer can be provided in some cases, but that's also how science works. We do it over and over and over and over again. We don't cherry pick the one we like and say, "a-HA! That's it!")

I swear, the level of people who don't know anything about subjects who have an opinion on it is becoming lethal thanks to people who six years ago would NEVER have been anti-vax until Republican Jesus gave them justification.
 
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