Game Thread: UCLA @ Oregon

[tusks_n_raider]

My 1st example was that AU team was giving up 24.5 PPG which for a 'Championship' caliber team by SEC standards is atrocious. 9 teams on their schedule scored more points against them than Oregon including Alabama whether we lost or not.

Secondly that LSU team was a beast on defense and also got better that season. IF Oregon had of played them again later they would have scored even less than 27 whether they were more finely tuned in the Arena League Pac-12 or not.

3rd I WAS complementing Stanford. They are good and I respect the type of ball they play. They try to play real man SEC style smash mouth football like an LSU or Alabama. They punched Oregon in the mouth and shut that offense down just like a Top Tier SEC team would.

Lastly FSU plays Big Boy ball now too with emphasis on Defense just like Bama. If Oregon plays either they are simply not going to score like they are used to. Like I say 24 points tops.

I'm not sure how Manziel going off in that one game this year constitutes a trend of Bama being 'ripped apart' by mobile QB's. You gotta give JFF and his Saquatch WR Evans they just due on that game. Until that late burst though we had effectively shut JFF down for the last 6-7 total qts we played him. We shut Tim Tebow(Another Heisman winner Mobile QB) down the last time we played him. Even in that 2010 loss to AU's Cam Newton(Yet another Heisman winning Mobile QB) we held him in check better than other teams as he only had about 200 yrds passing and 35 yrds rushing. We absolutely shut down Denard Robinson last year who is the definition of a Mobile Dual threat QB.

The main theme is that Oregon's juggernaut Offense comes down to earth when it faces a Top Tier legit Defense and it has also failed against a 'Mediocre' at best SEC Champion Defense. (2010 AU)

You say Alabama gets shredded by a high octane Offenses led by Mobile QB's when really it's only been Manziel... who shreds everyone BTW.

I really really wanna play the Ducks to CRUSH them with all this chirping and smack talking and tee shirt slogans. Unfortunately that still won't end the debate because history has shown Oregon get humbled before yet they still quack...or yap...and the Media acts like seeing them face a top notch defense for a title or in a big game has never been seen before.

 

[oregonbltzkrieg]

We do not struggle against good offenses and you really miss the points we try to make. Therefore it is really no point of trying to even talk to you.

The QB who is mobile has to be on fire in everything he does not just be mobile. He has to hit receivers at a clip he previously didn't before. And then hold on for dear life. Look back at our loses against those mobile QBs they had games of their lives, and really and truly it's been any QB that's beaten us. You talk about JF. We were up 35-14 and we put it on cruise control. They never had a chance to go up or tie us. So that game was very deceiving.


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Sorry I should have made my point clearer. Not just mobile QB's, but mobile and having excellent games. We could not come close to hanging with you unless our QB had a perfect game. However Cam Newton and Johnny Manziel ran good offenses and you did struggle with them. That can't really be denied, can it?

 

[JBama_in_PCOLA]

Sorry I should have made my point clearer. Not just mobile QB's, but mobile and having excellent games. We could not come close to hanging with you unless our QB had a perfect game. However Cam Newton and Johnny Manziel ran good offenses and you did struggle with them. That can't really be denied, can it?

Again in both games we put it on cruise control and in both games we had a major defender go down. It takes more than just excellent play from that offense. It take a major break down in our defense. If Mark Baron doesn't get hurt we beat Auburn and if Belue doesn't go down against A&M, who shut down Evans by the way, the game is even worse than it looks. So yeah it takes much than a mobile QB having an all-hell day!


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[oregonbltzkrieg]

My 1st example was that AU team was giving up 24.5 PPG which for a 'Championship' caliber team by SEC standards is atrocious. 9 teams on their schedule scored more points against them than Oregon including Alabama whether we lost or not.

Secondly that LSU team was a beast on defense and also got better that season. IF Oregon had of played them again later they would have scored even less than 27 whether they were more finely tuned in the Arena League Pac-12 or not.

3rd I WAS complementing Stanford. They are good and I respect the type of ball they play. They try to play real man SEC style smash mouth football like an LSU or Alabama. They punched Oregon in the mouth and shut that offense down just like a Top Tier SEC team would.

Lastly FSU plays Big Boy ball now too with emphasis on Defense just like Bama. If Oregon plays either they are simply not going to score like they are used to. Like I say 24 points tops.

I'm not sure how Manziel going off in that one game this year constitutes a trend of Bama being 'ripped apart' by mobile QB's. You gotta give JFF and his Saquatch WR Evans they just due on that game. Until that late burst though we had effectively shut JFF down for the last 6-7 total qts we played him. We shut Tim Tebow(Another Heisman winner Mobile QB) down the last time we played him. Even in that 2010 loss to AU's Cam Newton(Yet another Heisman winning Mobile QB) we held him in check better than other teams as he only had about 200 yrds passing and 35 yrds rushing. We absolutely shut down Denard Robinson last year who is the definition of a Mobile Dual threat QB.

The main theme is that Oregon's juggernaut Offense comes down to earth when it faces a Top Tier legit Defense and it has also failed against a 'Mediocre' at best SEC Champion Defense. (2010 AU)

You say Alabama gets shredded by a high octane Offenses led by Mobile QB's when really it's only been Manziel... who shreds everyone BTW.

I really really wanna play the Ducks to CRUSH them with all this chirping and smack talking and tee shirt slogans. Unfortunately that still won't end the debate because history has shown Oregon get humbled before yet they still quack...or yap...and the Media acts like seeing them face a top notch defense for a title or in a big game has never been seen before.

The big boy/arena league talk is funny. You like Stanford because they play big boy football. They are among the elite in our conference, but they also get beat by high octane teams. Kind of like those 2 new arena football teams in your league, aTm and Mizzou, you know, the 2 teams that have turned the SEC upside down after only 2 years....

 

[trenda]

Sorry I should have made my point clearer. Not just mobile QB's, but mobile and having excellent games. We could not come close to hanging with you unless our QB had a perfect game. However Cam Newton and Johnny Manziel ran good offenses and you did struggle with them. That can't really be denied, can it?

In 2010 and 2012. However, this is 2013. Manziel had a great game against us this season; but make no mistake, Bama was firmly in control of the game from the beginning of the second quarter on. A Bama fumble on the 1 yard line and a couple of freak plays made the game look a lot closer than it was.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

The big boy/arena league talk is funny. You like Stanford because they play big boy football. They are among the elite in our conference, but they also get beat by high octane teams. Kind of like those 2 new arena football teams in your league, aTm and Mizzou, you know, the 2 teams that have turned the SEC upside down after only 2 years....

I don't know if A&M losing 4 games in the last two seasons so far WITH maybe the best dual threat QB in CFB ever or Mizzou losing 9 games so far(one of which last night to USCe) is 'turning the SEC upside down'. They score points but so far neither has won a single solitary thing.

I get that you love high octane offense. I even admit it can be entertaining to watch at times. But at the end of the day just how in Baseball pitching wins World Series Championships....in Football be it the NFL or CFB it's Defense that wins Super Bowls and National Championships respectively. Rarely are there exceptions.

 

[rolltideallday]

The big boy/arena league talk is funny. You like Stanford because they play big boy football. They are among the elite in our conference, but they also get beat by high octane teams. Kind of like those 2 new arena football teams in your league, aTm and Mizzou, you know, the 2 teams that have turned the SEC upside down after only 2 years....

I have literally never used this in my life but......lol

A&M has been great for the last 2 seasons but when you break it down, they beat us in a great game last season and their next best SEC win was.....Ole miss or MSU? This season their best SEC win is....Ole Miss. They've had a great couple years but with the best player in the nation they've beat us and the Mississippi's, not turning the SEC upside down.

Mizzou didn't even register last season. I know they had a tough season with injuries but their best SEC win was Tennessee. This year they beat UGA and Florida (both are no longer ranked) after those teams were decimated with injuries. Was I surprised they won? Yes. Do I think they beat either of those teams when healthy? No. Again, not turning anything upside down.

 

[MattinBama]

Lets shoot these common arguments down 1 by 1 with logic.
Do you really expect an offense to score the same amount of points against the team that won the championship and lost no games that year than it does against normal teams? Yes, we're talking about the team that also defeated you. If they had such an awful defense like everyone claims, what does that say about Bama and everyone else that year? That's right, join the rest of the crowd. You were not much better than the Ducks.

What does this point even mean?

Auburn beating us doesn't change the fact that their defense was well below subpar for SEC BCS championship teams outside of one elite defensive lineman. That season had more to do with a force of nature named Cam Newton and some major lucky bounces for Auburn (with that said every championship team gets some lucky bounces, but that season was on a whole other level).

The point that you don't seem to get is what we constantly hear about these teams is how amazing their offenses are and how they would be able to put huge points up on anyone. But when they run up against a good defense it almost never works out that way and they get held way below their average and often get dominated. There are a few anomalies in this, but overall it generally shows that a solid defense will trump a great offense, but every year after these games people forget this and start getting excited watching the scoreboard running like a pinball machine and start parroting the same stuff again... until it runs into a semi-decent defense and they get confused for a few weeks again. But thankfully for these people another flashy offense usually catches their attention to fawn over.

I know that it is a different situation because the BCS game allows for a lot more preparation time and rest than week to week, but I'd just like to point out the teams that scored more on that amazing Auburn defense than the well oiled Oregon point scoring machine: Arkansas State (26), Clemson (24), South Carolina (27), Kentucky (34), Arkansas (43), Ole Miss (31), Chattanooga (24), Georgia (31), Alabama (27).

The big boy/arena league talk is funny. You like Stanford because they play big boy football. They are among the elite in our conference, but they also get beat by high octane teams. Kind of like those 2 new arena football teams in your league, aTm and Mizzou, you know, the 2 teams that have turned the SEC upside down after only 2 years....

Mizzou and A&M aren't necessarily to blame for this year in the SEC. As far back as I remember the SEC offenses will end up better than the defenses for a variety of reasons and you'll get the oddball season with a lot of shootouts. And people will always start talking about how the SEC defense is a myth and yadda yadda. Then the defenses catch back up and start getting more upperclassman the next year or two and then we're right back to the 7-3, 14-7 type games being more normal than the 47-43 ones.

 

[CrimsonProf]

The big boy/arena league talk is funny. You like Stanford because they play big boy football. They are among the elite in our conference, but they also get beat by high octane teams. Kind of like those 2 new arena football teams in your league, aTm and Mizzou, you know, the 2 teams that have turned the SEC upside down after only 2 years....

How cute.

 

[crimsonaudio]

How cute.

Truth.

 

[BamaPokerplayer]

Honest question, other than choking, where does Oregon have an edge on Alabama. Talent, coaching, big game experience, what?

 

[WMack4Bama]

Next thing I know, Baylor & Fresno St fans will be on here stating their grievances...Sheesh...

 

[BamaBrass]

I seem to remember the same kind of "logic" coming from Notre Dame leading up to the game last year. Funny thing happens when you get hit in the mouth a couple of times.....all the talking stops.

 

[bamabelle1991]

The Barn didn't beat Bama in 2010, Bama beat Bama when playing the Barn in 2010. We had a 3 TD lead against $cam and his Boogs and blew it in the second half. We played 2 quarters of football instead of 4.

I hope we get the opportunity to play the Ducks in January. I have no doubt WE will win out. Crushing the ducklings would be sweeter than clobbering Texas, shutting out LSU and embarrassing the Golden Domers.

 

[TideFan in AU]

I hope we get the opportunity to play the Ducks in January. I have no doubt WE will win out. Crushing the ducklings would be sweeter than clobbering Texas, shutting out LSU and embarrassing the Golden Domers.

Really? It would be the least satisfying of the four, IMO. Texas and Notre Dame are traditional powerhouse programs with multiple NC's and LSU has been one of the best teams in the SEC for the last decade also with multiples NC's. Oregon is just Oregon.

 

[LuckyDucky]

Hay guise what did I miss??? Oh. I know I'm an opposing team fan here so I'm not trying to troll, just put in my 2 cents. I know it gets annoying but from what little I've seen here, there's only a couple Duck fans posting that I know of. I know I respect the hell out of Alabama, and I think the other Oregon people here do as well, and we should. As for the idiots wearing "We Want Bama" T-shirts after week 3 (!!) against Tennessee...ugh. Those people made me cringe. Lot of football left to play.

The thing about the argument that Oregon gets shut down by elite defenses is...well, doesn't anybody get shut down by elite defenses? Not trying to be obtuse here. That's the reason why you're elite...because you limit what great offenses can do. So if an offense is truly elite, it has to prove that it can generate just enough points to overcome the elite D. It takes both defense and offense to win. You can have a high-flying offense but unless you have an excellent defense to back you up when you eventually sputter against a top opponent, you're not going to make it all the way.

I like what I'm seeing from the top 3 teams right now. So far, they've all been doing what they were supposed to do - beating up on lesser opponents and rising to the challenge against higher quality opponents. When Oregon's offense struggled yesterday, our defense did what it was supposed to do. The tackling certainly didn't look great at times in the first half, but the D made adjustments, tightened up and shut out UCLA in the 2nd half. We shall see how Oregon handles Stanford after the bye and if the Ducks are really as advertised, hopefully they win out. And if UCLA's any good, they'll beat the rest of the teams they play. If they faceplant, well, then the #12 ranking was undeserved and Oregon may have a lot to prove. As for Bama and Florida, I don't see either of them losing the remainder of their schedules. The iron bowl could be interesting...for a half. I think Alabama runs away with it. I think Miami has scraped by mediocre teams and will be exposed against FSU. But I could be wrong (I'm wrong a lot! haha)

I love what Alabama does. I love what Oregon does. I love that we have more than one style of football to watch, because it's interesting to see what each team does with it. Maybe if I'd grown up with SEC football I'd view it differently, but that's how I feel about it right now. We are fans, we have no control over what the teams do, but it can be fun to speculate about the "what-ifs."

 

[oregonbltzkrieg]

The Barn didn't beat Bama in 2010, Bama beat Bama when playing the Barn in 2010. We had a 3 TD lead against $cam and his Boogs and blew it in the second half. We played 2 quarters of football instead of 4.

I hope we get the opportunity to play the Ducks in January. I have no doubt WE will win out. Crushing the ducklings would be sweeter than clobbering Texas, shutting out LSU and embarrassing the Golden Domers.

Stanford beat Oregon last year. The barn beat Alabama in 2010. Do both losing teams make mistakes? Yes. But to say it's only because we lost against ourselves makes us lose credibility. We should all give credit where credit was due. Auburn was an excellent team that year. To win every single game takes more than just 2 people.

 

[oregonbltzkrieg]

Really? It would be the least satisfying of the four, IMO. Texas and Notre Dame are traditional powerhouse programs with multiple NC's and LSU has been one of the best teams in the SEC for the last decade also with multiples NC's. Oregon is just Oregon.

Notre Dame looked like a real powerhouse in the BCSCG when they came up against their first real opponent of the season.

 

[Bazza]

The Barn didn't beat Bama in 2010, Bama beat Bama when playing the Barn in 2010. We had a 3 TD lead against $cam and his Boogs and blew it in the second half. We played 2 quarters of football instead of 4.

I hope we get the opportunity to play the Ducks in January. I have no doubt WE will win out. Crushing the ducklings would be sweeter than clobbering Texas, shutting out LSU and embarrassing the Golden Domers.

Wow....I love your spunk, woman! :biga:

 

[WMack4Bama]

Wow....I love your spunk, woman! :biga:

Get a room!!!