Question: What happened to Dan Mullen? (answer - he got fired)

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The biggest obstacle to winning at the University of Florida is the Florida fanbase. They are very delusional with no ability to look further out than the current season. Going back to the 1970's Florida has hired some really solid coaches and proceeded to run almost all of them out of town if they didn't win big from the get go. Spurrier got a break because he was a Florida legend and while Urban Meyer won he got out of town before his criminal empire was exposed. Dan Mullen did a great job at Miss State and that is a really hard place to win football games. Don't blame Dan Mullen completely for Florida's problems, Florida deserves a lot of credit for that.
 

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FWIW.....I just finished watching Dan's Monday presser and came away very impressed with how he handled himself.

They finally got the microphones fixed too so you can actually hear the questions being asked - so that didn't hurt!

Seriously though.....I've been critical of Dan before and probably will again in the future. For me, he has yet to prove he has what it takes to get a championship.

But right now, outside of Coach Saban I can't think of another coach I'd want at Florida, given what Dan has accomplished during his entire time here - plus what I believe could happen in the future. You may think that's crazy talk, but the guy has a ton of knowledge and experience and I just think he needs some better people around him.

There's some very positive comments at the video site so I guess I'm not alone.

In case it's of interest to anyone....here's the 28 minute presser:

I know we are being hard on Mullen...some of it is tongue and cheek, but I think your response is well measured. You are correct to observe what the alternative might be if you got rid of him and the truth is there's really no one in the game that available that would be a sure-fire improvement.

And let me add I wish the environment would change from the knee-jerk reactions to firing people for just one or two down years. If Mullen doesn't improve, it will be justified to move on from him, but we live in a "what have you done for me lately" culture that expects instant results and doesn't tolerate a season of struggle very well. About 50 years ago Coach Bryant had a couple of down years between his championships in the 60's and the 70's. Today, he would have probably not lasted into the 70's after those struggles.

I know it's different now, but I just felt like this rant this morning.
 
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Dan Mullen got off to a great start at Florida with his first two seasons being 10-3 then 11-2. In his third season, the team was 8-1 with a shot at the playoff and a Heisman finalist at QB. So, that's 29-6 deep into his third season.
Will Muschamp, whose reputation was much less, was 22-9 and on the verge of a shot at the BCS title game his second season, too. Then he lost to LSU in 2013 and the cratering was on.

1) This is not 1978 Florida anymore. The in-state talent is obvious and so any minimally competent coach is going to be able to go 10-3 there without his coaching having anything to do with it.

In that sense, Florida really is an Alabama-level job. Coach Bryant saw that back in the 60s and is probably glad they didn't figure it out until long after he was gone. Ten wins at Florida should be possible simply by virtue of the talent in the state.

2) Muschamp's descent coincided with FSU's national championship.

Again, this is not unexpected, either. Go back and look at the three Florida schools. GENERALLY speaking - and yes, I know you can probably find a year here and there when all three were really good and it's very easy to find years when all three were terrible. But the anomaly, of course, is 1991-1994, when all three schools were really at a peak with each other. In that case, you had Miami's talent (obtained largely through corruption that resulted in a smack 'em probation) and two legendary coaches (Spurrier and Bowden) at their peaks. But notice even that it was not sustainable. Erickson rode the talent Jimmy Johnson acquired to two titles and then watched his program get vaporized on the rug of the Superdome.

My larger point? Winning at Florida depends on both an uncontrolled confluence of factors - such as who is coaching the other teams, the schedules of the other teams, sanctions, bad press, etc - and controlled factors, of which the most important is the head football coach.

Maybe Dan Mullen's legendary accomplishments at Mississippi State - which, let's admit were PHENOMENAL for the school at which he was and suggested maybe, just maybe he could be the golden goose - aren't the skill set to transfer to Florida. YES, he was 69-46 OVERALL, he was 33-39 in the SEC. But micro-analysis will always reveal whether the larger picture is correct. We'll spot Mullen for not beating Alabama simply because NOBODY has been able to beat Alabama the last decade-plus. But were there other circumstances that eased his course?

a) he walked into MSU when Ole Miss was coming off the Orgeron era and the entire Houston Nutt era
b) MSU's "annual East opponent" is Kentucky, and Mullen was 8-1 against the Wildcats, and the game he lost was on a final play 51-yard field goal in 2016. In other words, essentially 25% of his SEC success is based on beating a team he should be able to beat anyway (even if he can't at UF, LOL!)
c) in evaluating Mullen, the number people focused on was "if you take his 9 losses to Alabama away, he's 33-30 in the SEC at MSU." That's precisely the wrong kind of micro-analysis that misleads people.
d) his 5-4 record vs Ole Miss was read as "and this is while Ole Miss was great," but he didn't beat their "great (corrupt)" teams, he beat their lousy ones.

What was his record against the powerhouses in the SEC?
And if he didn't win was he competitive?

Again, we'll drop Alabama as we do have to admit Mullen had his squad ready to play Alabama...just so long as Alabama played LSU the week previous.

Let's cut to the chase and look.
8 wins vs Kentucky
5 wins vs Ole Miss (didn't beat "good Ole Miss")
2 wins vs Vandy
3 wins vs ATM (didn't beat Manziel)
5 wins vs Arky (the moment Petrino let them in shambles, they go 5-1)
3 wins vs Auburn in 4 years (2012-2015, when Auburn had a great year and then was Auburn)

26 of 33 wins came against what is essentially the riff-raff of the SEC or schools nowhere close to their peaks.

They beat LSU twice...and one just happens to be the year LSU lost to Troy.

Now folks get mad when I point this out, but I'm doing this to say "Dan Mullen is a lousy football coach," I 'm pointing out "Dan Mullen is NOT as good a coach as the NARRATIVE surrounding him suggested he was going to Florida."

Narrative: "Look at what Mullen did in the second school in Mississippi, just IMAGINE what he could do at Florida where recruiting would be much easier and with better support yadda yadda!. And no, he didn't beat Alabama but HE PLAYED THEM CLOSE SEVERAL TIMES!"

Reality: Mullen never actually beat anyone worth a damn his entire time in Starkville, and his "close games against Alabama" were either HOME GAMES immediately AFTER Alabama had a brutal war with LSU (2011, 2013, 2017) or weren't close in the real world but were on the final scoreboard (2014). You can cherry pick Mullen and say "he played Alabama close," but you can also cherry pick him and say, "He lost by scores of 31-3, 30-10, 38-7, 31-6, and 51-3," too.

Now let me throw myself on my own sword here - I never did micro-analysis of Mullen and thus, I, TOO, AM GUILTY of having the thought "he'll do well in Gainesville." That's on me, although if I had been a paid analyst like those guys on TV are, I would have done what I just did here and rated his chances of success VERY low. So I'm not excluding myself from criticism here. I was wrong.

Then a shoe was thrown. Since that embarrassing loss to LSU, Florida has gone 4-8. So, Florida has lost more games in the last 12 games than in the first 35 games under Mullen. So, the obvious question is, what on earth happened?
I was in the stands at the 2013 MSU-Kentucky game when Nick Whitley of MSU punched pro wrassler Sting's son in the pile and was ejected from the game.


So let's see, we have a player who punches in the pile and another moron who throws a shoe.

And players only do things like that under coaches they actually think they can get away with it.

That really tells me more about Mullen than his record does. I get players do dumb things, but an intelligent coach knows to drive his "you're replaceable" point home. Mullen has clearly never done this - and it's a large part of his failure.
 

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Nothing is wrong with Mullen. He was never “the guy” to start with. After the success of Spurrier and Meyer, Florida has been trying to find lightening in a bottle again. Mullen is just another failed hopeful for that. We’ll face the same dilemma when Coach Saban retires. Even more so, because his like will never exist again.
 
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Many may think what mullen did at MS State was great, but what if I told you Mullen only had 1 winning SEC season from 2009 to 2017 while at MS State? Mullen was 4-4 or worse every season except for one in SEC play while at MS State
 

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Many may think what mullen did at MS State was great, but what if I told you Mullen only had 1 winning SEC season from 2009 to 2017 while at MS State? Mullen was 4-4 or worse every season except for one in SEC play while at MS State
I would remind you that it was Mississippi State
 

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Nothing "Happened" to Dan Mullen. That's the problem. He is who he is and he hasn't adapted to the changing landscape of CFB recruiting and people management. He can't motivate people for the long term. He's just not a top tier power 5 coach and organizational CEO.
 

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I would remind you that it was Mississippi State
Mullen was a relief from Sylvester Croom, but accomplished no more than Jackie Sherrill

if it hadn’t been for a Tyler Russell injury and dak Prescott on the bench he probably would have accomplished less than Jackie
 

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Nothing "Happened" to Dan Mullen. That's the problem. He is who he is and he hasn't adapted to the changing landscape of CFB recruiting and people management. He can't motivate people for the long term. He's just not a top tier power 5 coach and organizational CEO.
excellent coach for a tier of football that no one can really recruit at due to the tier of the programs. Put him at Southern Miss as an example and I’m sure he would do excellent
 
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Yep and they have had only 11 winning SEC seasons in the last 80 years with one championship in 1941.
so they had 1 winning SEC season every 8 years roughly, Mullen had 1 winning SEC season in 9 years there. My point being that he didn’t do anything spectacular or special.
 
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Nothing "Happened" to Dan Mullen. That's the problem. He is who he is and he hasn't adapted to the changing landscape of CFB recruiting and people management. He can't motivate people for the long term. He's just not a top tier power 5 coach and organizational CEO.
Yep, he's not a top tier HC, not even close. He is who he's always been or in the words of Dennis Green (kind of) "HE IS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS!!!!"....or something like that. lol 🤷‍♂️
 
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Many may think what mullen did at MS State was great,
Because it was.

but what if I told you Mullen only had 1 winning SEC season from 2009 to 2017 while at MS State? Mullen was 4-4 or worse every season except for one in SEC play while at MS State
Now let's see the comparison chart to how other Mississippi State coaches did.

Sylvester Croom - one 4-4 and no winning
Jackie Sherrill - 4 SEC "winning seasons" in 14 years - one 4-3, one 5-3, and two 6-2
Rockey Felker - 0 of anything
Emory Bellard - 2 (in 7 years), a 5-1 and a 4-2
Bob Tyler - 1 winning SEC season in 6
Charles Shira - 0 SEC winning seasons
Paul E. Davis - 1 SEC winning season in 5
Wade Walker - 0 SEC winning seasons in 6
Darrell Royal - 0 SEC winning seasons in 2 tries (2 .500 seasons in conference)

So who did better than Mullen did?

Sherrill had one in his first year and his fourth year and then two in his 8th and 9th years. And Sherrill also got PUT ON PROBATION for his 6-2 SEC seasons, too, and was helped to obtain them by the fact Alabama and Ole MIss were both crippled on probation in 1995-98. (Hmmm.....looks at 6-2 seasons in 98 and 99 after lost schollys kick in.....)

Sherrill also wasn't playing the national champions in seasons 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 9 and the runners-up in seasons 5 and 8. And Mullen had the higher winning IN SEC pct despite the tougher schedule (.458 vs .422). And if the argument is "what he inherited," Mullen took over a 4-8 team, Sherrill a 5-6 team.

I'm not arguing Mullen is even the right coach for Florida or upper echelon. But what he did AT MISSISSIPPI STATE was nothing short of phenomenal.
 

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Mullen was a relief from Sylvester Croom, but accomplished no more than Jackie Sherrill
he had a better winning percentage against a substantially tougher schedule

if it hadn’t been for a Tyler Russell injury and dak Prescott on the bench he probably would have accomplished less than Jackie
And if Cam Newton had gone to Mississippi State......
 

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Dan is frustrating.. He has a lot of theoretical potential, but he will never realize it because of personality flaws. He is so stubborn and overly loyal. Personally he is not a good recruiter, but that can be easily overcome with a staff full of great recruiters, especially at UF. Unfortunately, stubborn loyal Dan brought his staff from MSU to UF. His staff is mostly full of garbage recruiters and a garbage DC also that can't coach or recruit. He always has to know a coach personally for him to hire them. He values that more than coaching ability and recruiting.

Also Dan has a problem being loyal to seniors and playing inferior seniors over vastly superior underclassmen like Emory Jones over AR15. Heck, if it wasn't for injury he would have never started Trask. Mullen ran out of the last staff's talent (they recruited Trask, Pitts, and Toney for example) and now he is left to deal with his garbage recruiting. In many ways Mullen is basically a spread option version of Bobby Petrino. He is a heck of an Xs and Os guy and he is a good developer, but he is a bad recruiter and his staff sucks in recruiting also.

The crazy part is that Dan is sucking at recruiting at UF while both Miami and FSU are down. That is just pure incompetence.

Grantham was never a good DC. Mullen should have never hired him, brought him to UF, or retained him. As a gator fan I want Mullen fired and I want to hire Hugh Freeze. Yes, I know, but he would kill it here. He is a monster recruiter (everyone uses bags) and coach. If not Freeze then I want Fickel from Cincy, then Billy Napier, and lastly Lane Kiffin. I think they are all good options. There are probably a few more decent options after that.
 

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he had a better winning percentage against a substantially tougher schedule



And if Cam Newton had gone to Mississippi State......
dan is just a bonehead. He started Franks over Trask until an injury forced him to start Trask. Same thing with Dak. If Cam went to MSU he would have been behind a mediocre SR. When Cam was at UF and Mullen was OC John Freakin Brantley was ahead of Cam Newton on the depth chart LOL. Though ultimately that is Meyer's fault. Meyer has had 2 former Heisman QBs transfer from his team. Ironically, both Burrow and Cam went on to have 2 of the best seasons in college football history and win titles.
 

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The biggest obstacle to winning at the University of Florida is the Florida fanbase. They are very delusional with no ability to look further out than the current season. Going back to the 1970's Florida has hired some really solid coaches and proceeded to run almost all of them out of town if they didn't win big from the get go. Spurrier got a break because he was a Florida legend and while Urban Meyer won he got out of town before his criminal empire was exposed. Dan Mullen did a great job at Miss State and that is a really hard place to win football games. Don't blame Dan Mullen completely for Florida's problems, Florida deserves a lot of credit for that.
Dan is 2-8 in his last 10 games vs P5 teams (vandy, tenn). This has nothing to do with fans. Also Dan is being paid 7.5 million per year for these garbage results.
 
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