Question: What Would Brother Bill Oliver Do with Gol*ing's Defense

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He still says it to this day. He has not grown up at all. In fact he was fired from a broadcasting gig when miami got into a brawl and he exclaimed he would like to go down and throw a few punches.
Why wouldn't he?

No program ever endorsed that level of behavior to the extent the Hurricanes did, starting with Jimmy Johnson and going right through Dennis Erickson.

If your coach thinks being a juvenile delinquent is all right when you're in college (just so's you remain eligible), and you then "advance" to the point you beat up your girl more than once even after doing jail time for it, why would you think there are any rules?

The only miracle where Lamar Thomas is concerned is that he didn't have the Lawrence Phillips ending.
 

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He always was a moron…….. Teague should have planted him like a pot of daisies
Well, taking his ball away from him and shoving him face first into turf was pretty hilarious.

I cannot imagine seeing a greater play than that ever.
I've never been so shocked in all my life.
I ran up to the TV to make sure I wasn't seeing an illusion, it was so bizarre.
 

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Well, taking his ball away from him and shoving him face first into turf was pretty hilarious.

I cannot imagine seeing a greater play than that ever.
I've never been so shocked in all my life.
I ran up to the TV to make sure I wasn't seeing an illusion, it was so bizarre.
It’s always been my late fathers favorite play………. He laughed out loud when it happened
 

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It seems like Oliver frequently comes up after a poor outing. I haven't bothered to look up the stats, but I bet if you compared his track record to CNS's defenses the results would show that CNS knows a thing or two about defense too. There were many memorable defensive moments from that '92 season. How many more of those memorable type moments has CNS given us? Saturday hurt and was a head scratcher, however, the sky is not falling. I do wish CNS would stop taking Zoloft on about Thursday before starting back on Sunday. I'm mostly joking. Angry sideline Saban is the best sideline Saban.
 
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It seems like Oliver frequently comes up after a poor outing. I haven't bothered to look up the stats, but I bet if you compared his track record to CNS's defenses the results would show that CNS knows a thing or two about defense too. There were many memorable defensive moments from that '92 season. How many more of those memorable type moments has CNS given us? Saturday hurt and was a head scratcher, however, the sky is not falling. I do wish CNS would stop taking Zoloft on about Thursday before starting back on Sunday. I'm mostly joking. Angry sideline Saban is the best sideline Saban.
My point was NOT that CNS hasn't had good defenses, but it was to wonder what Oliver would do if he was Gol*ing today. That Sugar bowl game came to mind, naturally.
 

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Well, taking his ball away from him and shoving him face first into turf was pretty hilarious.

I cannot imagine seeing a greater play than that ever.
I've never been so shocked in all my life.
I ran up to the TV to make sure I wasn't seeing an illusion, it was so bizarre.
It was the greatest play ever that didn't count.
 
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Miami ran the ball 381 times in 1992 and threw it 457, a split of 55-45 in favor of passing.
Back then, CFB was much more of a running game.

Seven passers cleared 3,000 yards passing that year, including Torretta (the most being 3818 by Jimmy Klingler). Last year, the WKU quarterback threw for DOUBLE what the leading passing yardage wise was in 1992 (5967 vs 3818). NINE QBs threw for more than FOUR THOUSAND yards last year.

Of course, there's a caveat, too...most teams played an 11-game schedule in 1992 compared to a 12-game schedule today. Okay, fair point. But the highest completion pct has gone up over 7% from then, too.

Oliver decided to take a gamble that Miami COULD NOT run the ball against Alabama under any conceivable circumstance. He would show a look so Torretta called the play, then put 11 on the line for a second or two and then drop anywhere from 4-8 DBs.

But remember - it wasn't just the defense. Holding the ball for 36 minutes while grinding out yards by the 3-4 yard carry was the bigger contributor.

I know the defense - deservedly so - gets a ton of credit in that game because of the turnovers and short fields. But that was a true team game top to bottom. The special teams - starting with Palmer's punt return for our 1st possession - to the offense grinding to the defense forcing three and outs.

I don't think what happened then is applicable to today.
Our offense against UT held the ball for 37 minutes compared to their 23. UT scored 52 against us in 23 minutes. They absolutely shredded what was supposed to be a good defense. I could understand them having guys streaking wide open down the field if we had been sending 6 or 7 guys, but we were getting zero pressure as if we were playing a deep zone, but that clearly wasn't the case. I'm still wondering where all of our guys were, but I don't plan to watch that sickening display again, so I guess I'll just move on to MSU and hope for the best.
 

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My point was NOT that CNS hasn't had good defenses, but it was to wonder what Oliver would do if he was Gol*ing today. That Sugar bowl game came to mind, naturally.
Just thinking back, I would say back in Oliver’s day, it was more about how your defense as a whole “matched up” versus the opposition. Yes there were individuals on the offense the defense had to account for (and this was where Oliver was so good) but he seemed to do it within the definition of what “his defense did best”. For example, if his defense had advantages in run stopping and pass rush, he wasn’t going to sacrifice those strengths in order to account for individual players. He would do it within his scheme.

Problem being now 20-25 years later the game played in more space, with speed and skill players all over the field. You have to account 4-5 players on a play that can burn you, not just one or two. Offensives have advanced to point, much like basketball, it is about get the match ups when and where you want them.

Couple this with rules changes that have greatly benefited the offense over the same time period, I think Brother Bill would have more than a few sleepless nights.
 

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