Who Is The Worst Coach To Win A National Title?

[BAMA1979]

Larry Coker
Gene Chizik
Bill McCartney

I actually thought McCartney was an excellent coach. He just didn't stick around very long.

 

[TommyMac]

[/FONT]In college Ross was 103-101, barely .500
Coker got there twice so I think that should eliminate him

Most of his losses were at the Citadel and Army, two places you absolutely can't recruit to.

He did pretty well at Maryland and GaTech, which are mid-level programs and also hard to recruit to as well.

 

[CajunCrimson]

Lloyd Carr

 

[s744]

easy, cheesy

 

[selmaborntidefan]

For starters i was typing during class - got sidetracked.

I mixed up Carr with Gary Moeller & combined them. Carr won a lot.

The claim about Ross and the Citadel etc ignores the fact he still had 9 losing seasons in 18. His last year at MD he was 5-5-1 and then inherited a Ga Tech team Bill Curry pulled out of a hole and promptly had 2 losing seasons there.

Everybody ought to remember Bill McCartney built a decimated CU program into a national power. After their 1990 title, CU won the Big 8 in 91, won 8 games in 92 & 93 and went 12-1 and killed Notre Dame in the Fiesta in Coach Mac's retirement game. Miles coached for Mac. Remember that CU QB who knocked up Mac's daughter & died of cancer? That illegitimate kid was a backup at LSU a few years ago.

I think it will be Chizik but it takes time

 

[BEATtutorsee]

Chizik still has decades left to help his case - jury still out.

Not sure I can vote for Coker - he had his team in 2 BCSCGs, with a late season shot at a third.

Gotta be Mack Brown for me. Who has done less with more?

Thanks to the overflow of talent Butch Davis left him.

I think there is a significant difference between Miles and Coker. Miles has won a title and kept his program in the hunt almost every year.

Coker won one and his teams got worse each year.

Les is a much better recruiter and coach than Coker ever was.

I would agree. I'm not saying Lester is a great coach by any means, but at least he hasn't run LSU into the ground the way Coker did at Miami.

At that point, Miami recruited itself!

And the comparison I was making was someone else building the program up (Davis/Saban) and them riding out a boatload of success from that foundation only to win one championship.

That was true for when he took over, and then he proceeded to promptly run the program into the ground.

 

[BAMA1979]

For starters i was typing during class - got sidetracked.

I mixed up Carr with Gary Moeller & combined them. Carr won a lot.

The claim about Ross and the Citadel etc ignores the fact he still had 9 losing seasons in 18. His last year at MD he was 5-5-1 and then inherited a Ga Tech team Bill Curry pulled out of a hole and promptly had 2 losing seasons there.

Everybody ought to remember Bill McCartney built a decimated CU program into a national power. After their 1990 title, CU won the Big 8 in 91, won 8 games in 92 & 93 and went 12-1 and killed Notre Dame in the Fiesta in Coach Mac's retirement game. Miles coached for Mac. Remember that CU QB who knocked up Mac's daughter & died of cancer?That illegitimate kid was a backup at LSU a few years ago.

I think it will be Chizik but it takes time

Sal Aunese. I think Miles was the guy who was mostly responsible for getting Sal to go to CU. Then Sal's kid ended up playing for Miles at LSU 20 or so years later.

 

[TommyMac]

For starters i was typing during class - got sidetracked.

I mixed up Carr with Gary Moeller & combined them. Carr won a lot.

The claim about Ross and the Citadel etc ignores the fact he still had 9 losing seasons in 18. His last year at MD he was 5-5-1 and then inherited a Ga Tech team Bill Curry pulled out of a hole and promptly had 2 losing seasons there.
Everybody ought to remember Bill McCartney built a decimated CU program into a national power. After their 1990 title, CU won the Big 8 in 91, won 8 games in 92 & 93 and went 12-1 and killed Notre Dame in the Fiesta in Coach Mac's retirement game. Miles coached for Mac. Remember that CU QB who knocked up Mac's daughter & died of cancer? That illegitimate kid was a backup at LSU a few years ago.




I think it will be Chizik but it takes time

So, you praise Bill Curry for his 31-43-4 record at Tech, yet you condemn Ross for his 31-23-1 record there because he lost his 1st two seasons there. Guess you missed the fact that Curry also opened with 2 losing seasons, going 1-9 and 1-10.

Also, you criticized Ross for leaving Maryland with a 5-5-1 record, yet ignore that Curry left Tech with the same record.

Yeah, Ross had 9 years with losing records, but he coached 8 years at the Citadel and Army. Do you not understand the difficulty of recruiting to such a strict environment as military schools with suffocating, unyielding discipline and tough academics?

BTW, Ross had 8 losing seasons, not 9. Three at the Citadel, none at Maryland, his 1st 2 at GT and 3 at Army.

 

[Perrett4Bama]

Cheese nip....

 

[CajunCrimson]

Carr never had another season with less than 2 losses....the only reason he won it all in 97 was due to Charles Woodson....

He always had winning records, but it is the big 10.....and every year you get to play Northwestern, Minnesota, Iowa, and Purdue, and a couple of games against Michigan directional schools, gives you 8 wins just starting off....

He used others talent to win the NCAA with Woodson, and vpnever again sniffed the Title

For starters i was typing during class - got sidetracked.

I mixed up Carr with Gary Moeller & combined them. Carr won a lot.

The claim about Ross and the Citadel etc ignores the fact he still had 9 losing seasons in 18. His last year at MD he was 5-5-1 and then inherited a Ga Tech team Bill Curry pulled out of a hole and promptly had 2 losing seasons there.

Everybody ought to remember Bill McCartney built a decimated CU program into a national power. After their 1990 title, CU won the Big 8 in 91, won 8 games in 92 & 93 and went 12-1 and killed Notre Dame in the Fiesta in Coach Mac's retirement game. Miles coached for Mac. Remember that CU QB who knocked up Mac's daughter & died of cancer? That illegitimate kid was a backup at LSU a few years ago.

I think it will be Chizik but it takes time

 

[davefrat]

Bobby Ross, for the win

bobby ross is a darn good football coach. not only did he take georgia tech from mediocrity to a share of the national title, he also coached a stan humphries quarterbacked team to the super bowl.

 

[tidefanbeezer]

Covered Dooley before. Subtract the Herschel Walker class from his resume and its pretty ordinary (deduct 1980-83).

Not true. Walker played in the 1980, 1981 and 1982 seasons. If you take those out, Dooley still won 66% of his games. He had several very good seasons without Herschel. Some highlights:
1966: 10-1, SEC co-champions, finished #4 in the AP poll.
1971: 11-1, finished #7 in the AP Poll
1976: 10-2, SEC co-champions, finished #10 in the AP poll
1983: 10-1-1, finished #4 in the AP poll

You can essentially make the same argument for Dooley that you made for Jordan earlier in this thread.

And why should we discount his coaching ability because he had Herschel Walker? Part of a coaches job is to recruit great players. He recruited Walker and was smart enough to ride him to the title.

 

[gmoney]

Majors at Pitt, didnt he win with T Dorsett

 

[JIB]

Bobby Ross only had one 10 win season in 18 years. I'd put him or Coker on that list. Erickson had 15 winning season and 8 non-winning seasons, so I'd say he's definitely the worst coach with multiple titles (not sure how many there are total though).

Anyone saying Dooley is nuts.

Chizik will probably go down as the 2nd worst BCS title winning coach for a long, long time. He's only had one year where he didn't lose at least 5 games. Not good. We'll see how he does in 2012.

 

[davefrat]

time will tell, but my money is on chizik. take out the 14-0 season and his record is horrible...not just average, but horrible...well below .500. and even with that season he's around the .550 mark. he's a buffoon who lucked into having arguably the greatest player in the history of the college game lead him to glory. i believe auburn will be a 7-5/8-4 team for the rest of his tenure at the barn.

 

[pluckngrit]

take bobby ross off the list just because of his awesome lisp. watching him get the team fired up was a trip. high pitched lisp.

he has to be kin to navid nousel.

lol

 

[pluckngrit]

oh and cheeznip in a landslide.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

So, you praise Bill Curry for his 31-43-4 record at Tech,

Uh, no. Never did that.

Here's what I said:

The claim about Ross and the Citadel etc ignores the fact he still had 9 losing seasons in 18. His last year at MD he was 5-5-1 and then inherited a Ga Tech team Bill Curry pulled out of a hole and promptly had 2 losing seasons there.

All I said about Curry was that he pulled GT out of a hole. He inherited a 4-6-1 team from Pepper Rodgers that was, uh, on probation. CONTEXT!!!

yet you condemn Ross for his 31-23-1 record there because he lost his 1st two seasons there.

No, and you're distorting reality. Ross inherited a MUCH BETTER situation than Curry, meaning he should have done better if in fact he was a better coach. Drop his sole 11-0-1 season and Ross overall record at GT is 20-23-1, hardly the marks of a good coach.

Guess you missed the fact that Curry also opened with 2 losing seasons, going 1-9 and 1-10.

No, but I took into account the context. You're making the same argument as "Gene Stallings first three years were a whole lot better than Bear Bryant's," which ignores that Stallings took over a 10-2 team that had been as high as number two in 1989.

Also, you criticized Ross for leaving Maryland with a 5-5-1 record, yet ignore that Curry left Tech with the same record.

Curry didn't start at Tech with an 8-4 record, either, did he? Basically, Ross had two very good QBs - Boomer Esiason and Frank Reich, and played in a terrible conference. Note also that in Curry's first two years Tech was NOT in the ACC, they were an Independent and played some killer schedules comparatively. In 80 and 81, Tech played the third toughest and 14th touhgest schedules in the nation. Again - context.

Yeah, Ross had 9 years with losing records,

Which speaks for itself.

but he coached 8 years at the Citadel and Army.

I'd spot him Citadel as that is at the start of his career, but when a guy winds up coaching at Army, he doesn't exactl have folks beating his door down, either.

Do you not understand the difficulty of recruiting to such a strict environment as military schools with suffocating, unyielding discipline and tough academics?

Yes, I do, but if he was so good then why was he stuck at Army at the end? And why was Army able to win games and go 9-3 in both 1985 and 1988? Ross never came close to that.

BTW, Ross had 8 losing seasons, not 9. Three at the Citadel, none at Maryland, his 1st 2 at GT and 3 at Army.

Fine. 5-5-1 is not technically a losing season, although it is still only 5 wins in 11 games. I'm sure that ONE GAME will flip dozens of Tide fans from "Ross might be him" to "Hey, Bobby Ross was really good."

I actually disagreed with the Ross point until I checked him out. I actually thought his record was better than it was.

 

[Dallas4Bama]

For those of you throwing Mack Brown under the bus, what makes Bob Stoops any better? He's always loaded with talent and only has ONE ring to show for it. Same as Mack.

I actually agree with Stoops being lumped in with Brown. Not as worst coaches to win a BCSCG, there are many worse. But as for both being overrated and underachievers I would agree 100%

He hasn't won anything with the players he recruited. Proving that they are unable to develop any of the top talent they bring in. Sure he made it to some championship games and was embarrassed in all nut 1. He also hasn't won anything since his brother left plus he's made some really questionable decisions also. Who has a team that everyone in the country believes is set for a national championship run and gives the OC position to someone with no experience? Someone that should ne a GA. I mean seriously? I don't care if he won 4 championships and 3 heisman trophies while there. You don't hand a kid the keys to a ferrari.

The only reason Stoops isn't #1 on the underachiever list is because Mac holds the spot, but he is pushing for his place. Let me also say that I believe they and everyone around them knows it and that's part of the reason they wanted no part of the SEC. OU knows darn well the the best coach they've had since Switzer wouldn't stand a chance in the SEC.

BTW, Miles is my nominee. I believe in a few years everyone will be able to look back and see it. He's just been able to keep up the charade longer than Coker was.

 

[bama2112]

While not as bad as Brown, Coker and cheezdip, Shug Jordan could be in the conversation. In 25 years as a HC, he only had one championship year and NEVER won a major bowl. That would get you fired at Alabama, but the goobers named their freaking stadium after him. Just shows the difference in the two programs.

Hey, I thought the world of Shug and so did Coach Bryant. How many games did we win against him. Please show some respect for the man.