Toggle sidebar

Will Logan Young Be Convicted?

What will be the outcome of the Logan Young trial?

  • He will be found guilty and will serve as an historic example of a booster gone bad.

    Votes: 19 12.9%

  • Young will be tried and found not guilty.

    Votes: 70 47.6%

  • The case will be thrown out for lack of evidence.

    Votes: 45 30.6%

  • The case will be settled out of court.

    Votes: 13 8.8%
  • Total voters
    147
  • Poll closed .
N

numbersman

1st Team
Jun 28, 2001
426
1
0
Montgomery, Al U.S.A.
Monday the trial of Logan Young, the infamous and banished UA booster, finally begins. Will he walk or will he pay the price for proven acts of buying a talented but very over-rated high school athlete?

I think that this story stinks to high heaven, but could I imagine a Baptist preacher sexually abusing 8-10 year old girls? I think that both seem absolutely absurd, but we live in an absurd world. I think that there is an equal chance that UT boosters seeking to win a war between UT and UA tried to devise a scheme to trap Logan Young and UA and protect UT. Did it work, or was it simply a complete hoax that will end in an exhonoration of Mr. Young and perhaps might backfire on Teflon U.(when the civil suit of Cotrell/Williams vs. NCAA, etc. is settled)? What do ya'll think?

If Young and Bama did it, we done the time and deserved it to be so (though who in the world else is paying for their crimes these days). If Young can be shown to be an innocent pigeon and UT boosters and their coach(es) guilty of entrapment, then the NCAA should hammer UT with both fists and apologize to UA. I doubt if either will happen, no matter what the outcome, but at least Bama has been told that they have paid their debt in full. That should give us great relief.


RTR
 
It gives me no relief...

because I do not agree with the idea of the innocent being punished. I believe that the NCAA was a kangaroo court and I will not rest until the truth is found and the guilty ones who perpertrated this horrendous fraud come to justice!!!
 
I still can't figure how all the other 7 schools

involved were not investigated. I also don't understand how some folks don't seem to think that where there is smoke there is fire. Indicting someone is one thing,but proving it is something totally different. All I know is that unless a transcript of the trial is released we will never know the full story.
 
Dixiedawg said:
involved were not investigated. I also don't understand how some folks don't seem to think that where there is smoke there is fire. Indicting someone is one thing,but proving it is something totally different. All I know is that unless a transcript of the trial is released we will never know the full story.
Click to expand...


..and, that is what has made me suspicious all along, Fred. Is Logan Young capable of cheating? Yes. Did he pay for Means? Well, I really don't know, being, first of all, the prosecution can't decide how much was paid for Means. I've seen three different figures. Second, if Young was the "highest bidder", then that means (no pun intended ;) ) that there were others "bidding", also, which would make them in violation of NCAA and SEC rules. The "others" were UT, Ark, UGA, and MSU (Michigan St., not MS State).

I'm not trying to parade around, saying we have the cleanest program in the histroy of college football (well, maybe now we do after being under such a high-powered microscope), but this whole thing reaks of a setup. Even the most cynical observer has to agree this whole thing is fishy.
 
I see the poll thus far has gone that the case will be thrown out for lack of evidence. I think that is probably over-optimistic. An indictment is a lower standard but there must be some proof. I'm not sure if there has been a motion to dismiss by the defense, but if there has not, they must feel there is enough evidence to survive that. If the prosecution is bringing the "attempting to evade reporting requirements" charge, there must be some evidence of a pattern of large cash withdrawals less than $10,000. Given my dim view of juries in general and what I would expect the jury pool in Memphis to look like (Remember the post a few days ago about the jury pool from hell? That was Memphis.), I would expect the circumstantial evidence and testimony of Kirk alone might be enough to convict Young. Plus, remember appellate courts only look for "procedural errors" not "factual errors" so don't expect a dumb jury to be reversed on appeal.

Although I am also very curious as to why the other bidding schools weren't investigated. However, that sounds a bit like Auburn's complaint during some of their troubles, the excuse was "Who do you think we were bidding against?"
 
I worked in Memphis for 15 years and know or know of many of the participants in this trial. Readers of this forum should know that Fred Godwin, the lead prosecutor, is a decent and honorable attorney who has no stake in this from a football fan perspective. Some on here will say otherwise, but I know him personally and there is no animus towards either Alabama, or love for UT on his part.

There is no conspiracy between the Justice Department and the NCAA. If Logan Young did what he is accused of doing, then he committed a crime. Paying a public official to influence matters within his purview is a crime. I personally believe that he is guilty. I believe he set the whole scheme into play and based on the harm he brought upon Alabama, then I hope he is found guilty. That is what the Department of Justice does, prosecute people who commit crimes.

I don't know if he will be found guilty or not. His legal team is very formidable and Memphis juries, as published on here earlier, can be very squirrely. A federal jury though doesn't necessarily have to come from Memphis, but can come from anywhere in West Tennessee, which means from the Mississippi River to the Tennessee River.

Go ahead and flame if you wish, I won't respond in kind. Life's too short and I have no ax to grind. I do think what will come out will be enlightening.

JessN- Since you work for a newspaper here in Tennessee, will you be able to attend the trial and give a blow by blow?
 
Tim

TiderinMiss said:
..and, that is what has made me suspicious all along, Fred. Is Logan Young capable of cheating? Yes. Did he pay for Means? Well, I really don't know, being, first of all, the prosecution can't decide how much was paid for Means...... but this whole thing reaks of a setup. Even the most cynical observer has to agree this whole thing is fishy.
Click to expand...
What get me in todays CA they seemed to point to 50 withdrawals of $9000.00 or less supposedly to stay below the Feds radar screen of $10,000.00 now according to south Alabama calculations that comes to $450,000.00. Knowing that LY probably like to keep a few extra bucks in his pocket for pen money you would think that he would withdraw what ever he need during the course of the year, so it's not far fetched to say all he was withdrawing was normal expense money. The part about Lynn "Lets Make a Deal" Lang is I know high school coaches around Mobile who are doing very well due to booster programs supplementing their salaries. Shoot the Alba booster club bought a new pickup for a HS coach and give it to him and Alba at that time was a small 4 A school in south Mobile County. I think there is too much ado about the teachers salery, since I assume they have simular booster clubs in Tennessee.
 
NashvilleTider I don't or at least I hope

NashvilleTider said:
I worked in Memphis for 15 years and know or know of many of the participants in this trial. Readers of this forum should know that Fred Godwin, the lead prosecutor, is a decent and honorable attorney who has no stake in this from a football fan perspective. Some on here will say otherwise, but I know him personally and there is no animus towards either Alabama, or love for UT on his part.

There is no conspiracy between the Justice Department and the NCAA. If Logan Young did what he is accused of doing, then he committed a crime. Paying a public official to influence matters within his purview is a crime. I personally believe that he is guilty. I believe he set the whole scheme into play and based on the harm he brought upon Alabama, then I hope he is found guilty. That is what the Department of Justice does, prosecute people who commit crimes.

I don't know if he will be found guilty or not. His legal team is very formidable and Memphis juries, as published on here earlier, can be very squirrely. A federal jury though doesn't necessarily have to come from Memphis, but can come from anywhere in West Tennessee, which means from the Mississippi River to the Tennessee River.

Go ahead and flame if you wish, I won't respond in kind. Life's too short and I have no ax to grind. I do think what will come out will be enlightening.

JessN- Since you work for a newspaper here in Tennessee, will you be able to attend the trial and give a blow by blow?
Click to expand...

that Bama fans take this trial with a grain of salt and don't let their passion for Alabama football blind them. Participants in this mess wouldn't be here unless someone got the ball rolling. I sure hope yall don't blame me for high gasoline prices, just cause I work for a major oil company. :p

On the second part I'll tell you this you are not alone my Crimson brother in your belief of LY guilt. You don't have that many flies around a big stink unless theres something causing it.
 
Dixiedawg said:
On the second part I'll tell you this you are not alone my Crimson brother in your belief of LY guilt. You don't have that many flies around a big stink unless theres something causing it.
Click to expand...

I sure wouldn't want you on my jury. "Guilty because something smells funny until proven innocent?" ;)
 
Last edited:
Just because I believe he'll be convicted doesn't mean I believe he is guilty.

My faith in the judicial system in Tennessee is not strong.

"Where there's smoke there's fire, if it looks like a duck", and all other cliches'
have never been proof of anything, they are just canned premature responses to suspect circumstantial and heresay evidence. If Logan Young is guilty in the Albert Means scandal, there won't be any doubt left in any of our minds at the end of this trial.

If the man is convicted on circumstantial and heresay evidence, there won't be any shortage of outrage around here. If he is convicted with solid evidence, you'll see that posted here as well.

But don't think because of anything that the NCAA decided three years ago that LY is necessarily guilty. There was a lot of money floating around Albert Means that didn't come from LY.

And just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean there wasn't a real conspiracy to get Alabama in Tennessee five years ago.
 
Last edited:
An important fact to remember...

You guys have made a lot of really good points here, but there is one aspect of this case that doesn't hold water. Follow me here:

Let's assume that Logan paid Lang. How does Lang send Means against his will to Alabama without Means knowing that something is going on? Did they tie him up and put him in the trunk of a car to get him there. If he went without being forced it means one of three things: 1) There was no payoff. 2) There was a payoff and he (Means) was in on it. 3) There was a payoff, but Means didn't know about it and it was just wasted money because he was going to Bama anyway. Now, if #1 is true, there is no crime. If #2 is true, then the NCAA is guilty as sin for allowing Means not only to transfer with no penalty as a participant, but also for making up some new exception for him since he was allowed to play the next year without sitting out a year like others have to. If #3 is correct, then Logan Young must be a real moron, and I don't think this is the case.

I don't follow recruiting like some, but I find it hard to believe that a player that was as highly recruited as Means was could be both: 1) Smart enough to be academically eligible to legitimately enrol in college, and 2) too dumb to know that his HS coach was slave-trading him. I guess what I'm saying is that if any money was exchanging hands in all of this, at some point people of authority (SEC and/or NCAA) decided to dish out immunity for those who could make sure the deal went through. If that is the case, it's a real sad commentary on what college athletics has become. As soon as Roy Kramer found out that this was going on (and he has admitted that he knew early enough to stop it, but made a "mistake" in allowing it to go on), he should have contacted Means and told him "Son, I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but because of what your HS coach is doing to you, you will not be allowed to participate in athletics at any of the schools in the SEC. If you would like for me to help you find legal counsel to help sue your coach for what he has done to your potential career, I'd be glad to help."

Could you imagine if we lived in a society where for example: A man is driving recklessly late at night, swerving as if drunk, and the police had the attitude to ignore the option of pulling the guy over to give him a DUI, and instead waited to see if he might hit another car so he could possibly get the guy for vehicular homicide? I believe this is what Kramer did in his non-actions.

Anyway, I've said enough on this. I'll be happy when the trial is over too, but i feel sorry for Logan because i read in the B'ham news today that the presiding judge is a UT grad. That won't help Mr. Young.

RTR!!!
 
NashvilleTider said:
I worked in Memphis for 15 years and know or know of many of the participants in this trial. Readers of this forum should know that Fred Godwin, the lead prosecutor, is a decent and honorable attorney who has no stake in this from a football fan perspective. Some on here will say otherwise, but I know him personally and there is no animus towards either Alabama, or love for UT on his part.

There is no conspiracy between the Justice Department and the NCAA. If Logan Young did what he is accused of doing, then he committed a crime. Paying a public official to influence matters within his purview is a crime. I personally believe that he is guilty. I believe he set the whole scheme into play and based on the harm he brought upon Alabama, then I hope he is found guilty. That is what the Department of Justice does, prosecute people who commit crimes.

I don't know if he will be found guilty or not. His legal team is very formidable and Memphis juries, as published on here earlier, can be very squirrely. A federal jury though doesn't necessarily have to come from Memphis, but can come from anywhere in West Tennessee, which means from the Mississippi River to the Tennessee River.

Go ahead and flame if you wish, I won't respond in kind. Life's too short and I have no ax to grind. I do think what will come out will be enlightening.

JessN- Since you work for a newspaper here in Tennessee, will you be able to attend the trial and give a blow by blow?
Click to expand...

Consider yourself flamed.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

New Posts

Advertisement

Trending content

Advertisement

Latest threads

Top Bottom
Back