Will USC get Probation?

[CrimsonPaul]

As for the NCAA, after a long investigation they will declare that the agent is not a "booster" and since no one outside of Bush's family knew they will do nothing to USC. I voted no probation. They might take some wins away at most if a big enough stink is made.

 

[davefrat]

i have not heard all the USC allegations but what I have heard does not even compare to the Bama infractions.

Not even close - I don't think they should get in any real trouble unless I have missed some news

so, bankrolling a player and his family to the tune of a few hundred thousand dollars over several years (including free housing, clothing, spending money, air travel, spa treatments, and so on) doesn't even compare to bama boosters allegedly giving $150,000 in cash to a player and a coach?

what scale are you using to compare the two? i think you need the bureau of weights and measures to calibrate your equipment.

oh, and by the way, i think you've obviously missed quite a bit of news if that's your understanding of the usc situation.

 

[Hankster2]

USC is teflon. I think an NCAA investigation entails asking Pete Carroll if he did anything wrong. The insult to injury is that he's now saying it's LSU's fault. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the NCAA to penalize LSU for USC's recruiting violations:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17061848/

Tiger fans, beware. You're about to feel the sting of probation. The NCAA will no longer tolerate saying bad things or even having bad thoughts about USC (rule 26.45.184 paragraph 2).

Of course if you look at all the evidence as a whole there's really no infraction here. Reggie Bush wasn't so much acting as a USC booster as he was a paid consultant. :smile:

 

[bmcklv]

i have not heard all the USC allegations but what I have heard does not even compare to the Bama infractions.

I think they did a lot worse than Bama; and I also think they're doing now what Bama should have done before by not cooperating and making any allegations be proven by the NaZiAA's without their (the university's) help. There's too much news flying around for there to be no basis in fact for it. The USC powers can claim all they want to to not have known an agent was giving Bush money, but can they claim that they didn't let that same agent run around on the sidelines during games? If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a duck. They knew....

Still, personally, I like USC better than any other team outside the SEC because of their history (which is the only one in the NCAA that's even close to ours) and their historical willingness to play tough OOC games like Notre Dame and Michigan. If they lose, they lose, and they don't make excuses for it or cry about it.

It's true that USC doesn't have an SEC gauntlet to run out west, but who outside the SEC does? This has been pointed out by many folks here at TF as the reason more National titles don't make it to the SEC. That schedule is too tough to maneuver through unscathed very often, and those who do so deserve their shot.

Not even close - I don't think they should get in any real trouble unless I have missed some news

There is a lot of news out there available to a googler. It has to be sifted through like any other news, but it's there for the research minded fan to piece together. I think even more will come to light than is already known before it's all said and done.

 

[GulfCoastTider]

If USC is smart, they will walk. But to walk, they have to use the following strategy:

* Do not cooperate. Refuse to meet with investigators.

* Hire your own private investigators, and have them investigate the investigators. Follow them. Track their movements.

* Hire the best damned lawyers money can buy. LA Law types that put half the firm in the courthouse with legal briefs ready to file, the other half of the firm in Indianapolis serving subpoena for depositions.

* Hire the best escorts LA has to offer, and get Johanningmeier in a Honey Trap.

* Deny, Deny, Deny.

* Allege wrongdoing on the part of key NCAA officials, especially with regards to comments made to the media.

* Allege wrongdoing and subterfuge on the part of key boosters and supporters of rival programs. Notre Dame and UCLA boosters are a good start.

If they follow this somewhat expensive, but remarkably simple strategy, they will be back in business in no time. If you're going to battle a toothless whore like the NCAA, you don't roll over and pray for the best. That's what we did, and look where it got us.

 

[Crimson Buck]

I agree GulfCoastTider, til you stand up to the bully, win or lose, they will keep pushing you, so as a very wise man once told me, son if your mad enough to fight be mad enough to win.RTR

 

[Hankster2]

If USC is smart, they will walk. But to walk, they have to use the following strategy:

* Do not cooperate. Refuse to meet with investigators.

* Hire your own private investigators, and have them investigate the investigators. Follow them. Track their movements.

* Hire the best damned lawyers money can buy. LA Law types that put half the firm in the courthouse with legal briefs ready to file, the other half of the firm in Indianapolis serving subpoena for depositions.

* Hire the best escorts LA has to offer, and get Johanningmeier in a Honey Trap.

* Deny, Deny, Deny.

* Allege wrongdoing on the part of key NCAA officials, especially with regards to comments made to the media.

* Allege wrongdoing and subterfuge on the part of key boosters and supporters of rival programs. Notre Dame and UCLA boosters are a good start.

If they follow this somewhat expensive, but remarkably simple strategy, they will be back in business in no time. If you're going to battle a toothless whore like the NCAA, you don't roll over and pray for the best. That's what we did, and look where it got us.

I think we've found our next AD.

 

[Hoose]

does anyone remember a while back, when we were being looked at by the ncaa for rules violations, a michigan booster (female booster) was embezzling money from her company and using the money to pay players. I read it the day after we were being investigated by the ncaa in the usa today. Never, heard that anything happened to them at all.

 

[IMALOYAL1]

Normally I'd say SoCal has nothing to worry about but , the NCAA may not be their biggest problem . Traditionally the Pac10 has been just as extreme as the NCAA when sanctioning programs . For example in 1993 , just as our NCAA/Langham investigation began , the University of Washington was hit by the Pac10 .

The Pac10 is the only major conference to conduct its own compliance and enforcement separate from the NCAA . The NCAA does maintain the right of approval and obviously holds the power to veto any findings of the Pac10 .

Pac10 Sanctions - 8/21/93
After only an 8 month investigation into Summer job scams for UW football players , UW was banned from bowl games in '93-'94 , banned from TV $'s for a year , official visits were reduced for '93-'94 & '94-'95 . Scholarships for '94-'95 were reduced to 15 new signees . 15 again for '95-'96 .

The NCAA accepted some but , not all of the penalties while imposing some additional minor sanctions .

BTW , the Washington situation was quite similar to the current issues facing Oklahoma .

This is true. If USC gets any punishment it will be from the PAC10 conference. They are the only conference the seems to have the cajole's to discipline their own.

The NCAA will never mess with the LA TV market team.

:BigA:

 

[T-Town BamaFan]

does anyone remember a while back, when we were being looked at by the ncaa for rules violations, a michigan booster (female booster) was embezzling money from her company and using the money to pay players. I read it the day after we were being investigated by the ncaa in the usa today. Never, heard that anything happened to them at all.

Nice first post.:rolleye2:

:biggrin2:


RTR

 

[Hoose]

Nice first post.:rolleye2:

:biggrin2:


RTR

sorry first post. I get a little carried away, about the ncaa. I was living in Indiana at the time. Made me soooo, mad. Sorry for beating your dead horse. Next time I'll just poke him with a stick.

 

[T-Town BamaFan]

sorry first post. I get a little carried away, about the ncaa. I was living in Indiana at the time. Made me soooo, mad. Sorry for beating your dead horse. Next time I'll just poke him with a stick.

Welcome to TideFans


RTR

 

[GulfCoastTider]

does anyone remember a while back, when we were being looked at by the ncaa for rules violations, a michigan booster (female booster) was embezzling money from her company and using the money to pay players. I read it the day after we were being investigated by the ncaa in the usa today. Never, heard that anything happened to them at all.

That incident involved Notre Dame. But you're right--the whole affair was swept under the rug and the NCAA issued a "nothing going on here, move along" press release.

The only thing Michigan did was allow the entire starting five from their national championship basketball team to receive wads of cash in a pay-for-play scheme.

That too was swept under the rug. "Nothing going on here, folks. Move right along..."

 

[Tide&True]

The inequity of the sanctions process begs for a lawsuit against the NCAA. If it hasn't happened it is only a matter of time.

 

[bayoutider]

i have not heard all the USC allegations but what I have heard does not even compare to the Bama infractions.

Not even close - I don't think they should get in any real trouble unless I have missed some news

You are either not very well read, not very well informed or one very dumb piece of meat.

 

[Tide&True]

You are either not very well read, not very well informed or one very dumb piece of meat.

You go Mr. Administrator!

 

[Hoose]

The problem that we had is the ncaa had just gotten a new director, who coming in vowed to be tough on schools and had a zero tolerance policy. So, we became a public example. Way to harsh, in my opinion. I mean how do you control a nutty booster. The dude didn't even attend school there. Of course that same ncaa director quickly became just like the other directors before him.

 

[victory hunter]

rich?

 

[rolltideas]

Couldn't vote right away. I didn't see rolling on the floor laughing my butt off as a choice.

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[TraditionAL]

perhaps the ncaa will use this to punish them for the other stuff with reggie bush etc. that they can't nail them down for....maybe due to that they will get dealt with more severely....right guys...right..(we can dream i guess)