Game Thread: The Obama Inauguration 2008

[TRUTIDE]

clicky

Is'nt this the same timeframe the Bush Admin was courting after his last meeting with Iraqi officials. Wiil Obama have all of the troops out in 16 months or is this just a drawdown in accordance with the generals on the ground like Bush had stated?

Obama made his grand entrance into the democratic party with promises of immediately ending the war in Iraq. It seems that he has evolved into the same policiy Bush has.

 

[RammerJammer14]

Your answer - though cutsey - was not an explanation.

:banghead:

 

[SavannahDare]

I haven't seen a smart comment from you yet.

Prof, check your PM's.:mad2:

 

[CrimsonNan]

Check your PM's in about 2 minutes.

Read it. Now that IS an explanation. Thank you.

 

[TRUTIDE]

Prof, check your PM's.:mad2:

Why don't you ever PM me anymore? Don't let it get to you. I bet all of the partisan bickering will end after tommorrow. We have a bright new day on the horizon. It should be smooth sailing from then on out. /sarc off.

 

[Professor-JK]

Shutting down Gitmo would be a huge mistake. So far, we have confirmation that 11% of those released have returned to terrorism. That represents 11% of the best of those captured. If they released the rest, what would the percentage be?

If we release these guys and one ends up leading an attack that costs American lives, I will ask for the blood of those that vote to close this prison...

I have a nephew in black ops, and he is emphatic that the country really doesn't fathom the depths of ineptitude prevalent at Gitmo. He is on a first-name basis with several others in intelligence who are in the know. They all corroborate his assertions.

I can understand the magnitude of this issue. Due to overage at our Boston brokerage, , I was forced to change my connections on September 11th. I was scheduled to be on one of those flights out of Logan. And I lost many friends in those Towers.

It is no coincidence that I had warned my nephew about such a horrible potentiality of flying planes into buildings, and he was duly stunned when he realized that my warnings had become reality. He never made the mistake again.

 

[TRUTIDE]

Is there a valid or real suggestion in there?

You make good points, buy my underlying reasoning is this:

We AREN'T the people we are fighting. We do not operate like them, regardless the situation. I don't care if it will send some "message" or not. You might not like it, but the more we start acting against what we promote to the rest of the world... the more damage is done.

The truth is we will be stuck with the mess of GITMO for quite some time, even when the Executive Order is issued to have it closed. The prisoners are going to have to go somewhere since most of them will not be welcomed back in their home countries by any stretch of the imagination, and unfortunately for you, I doubt we will be implementing the free-fall delivery method.

Certainly bringing them within our borders to stand trial before Judge Judy is not the answer. Were do they go afterwards. American prisons or just released out into the American public. This whole problem started with people of this country wanting us to give war criminals the same rights as American citizens. Just another unexplainable nuance of the left.

I heard a good suggestion the other day. Let congress vote on shutting down Gitmo. If it passes, divide the prisoners up to prisons in the states whose congressmen and Senators voted to close it down. Say so many per vote. Equal distribution. We will see what happens when the idealogy is taken away from the situation and American people have to face the issue head on.

 

[CrimsonNan]

:banghead:

RJ - Although I've been a member of Tide Fans for a number of years, I've never really understood all the reasons that cause the wrath of the moderators. I just wanted to hear again what they are. That's all.

 

[gmart74]

We must all remember the sterling choices we had in this election. What in the hell were we thinking when these people became the final two?

Republican or Democrat
Republican or Democrat
Republican or Democrat
Republican or Democrat
Republican or Democrat
Republican or Democrat

.....and that is why we are left to choose between crap and crap light.
The only way to throw your vote away is to vote for one of those two parties.

 

[Tider@GW_Law]

I thought the inauguration wasn't until Tuesday, but if you turn on any news channel you would think it was Today! Anyone else think this is a little too much??


Dang, it's 2009.

Try living in DC through all this - with every single person talking about the inaugural balls and who has gold tickets, etc. - not to mention the crowds everywhere.

 

[Braveheart]

NY, I'd read that recently (in the last 6 months) that 60% of the released prisoners at Gitmo were captured AGAIN involved with either Al Qaeda or in Iraq involved with the terrorits there. The recidivism is WAY higher than 11%.

Everybody says "Ooh, close Gitmo." Well, all those screaming to close it dang sure wouldn't want those prisoners anywhere near where they live. Simply cutting them loose is not an answer.

 

[NYBamaFan]

NY, I'd read that recently (in the last 6 months) that 60% of the released prisoners at Gitmo were captured AGAIN involved with either Al Qaeda or in Iraq involved with the terrorits there. The recidivism is WAY higher than 11%.

Everybody says "Ooh, close Gitmo." Well, all those screaming to close it dang sure wouldn't want those prisoners anywhere near where they live. Simply cutting them loose is not an answer.

That may be true. Had not heard that figure. The original figure was 6%, which went up to 11% last year. If it has reached 60%, I just haven't heard it...

 

[Tidewater]

Try living in DC through all this - with every single person talking about the inaugural balls and who has gold tickets, etc. - not to mention the crowds everywhere.

That is a completely self-inflicted wound.
Living in the National Vampire is its own punishment.

 

[Tidewater]

That may be true. Had not heard that figure. The original figure was 6%, which went up to 11% last year. If it has reached 60%, I just haven't heard it...

As they work their way down the list of "not-so-bad" to the "I can't wait to get out of here and start killing Americans again," the recidivism rate will skyrocket.
Of course, if you execute the illegal combatants for being illegal combatants, the recidivism rate is, well, zero.

 

[RammerJammer14]

As they work their way down the list of "not-so-bad" to the "I can't wait to get out of here and start killing Americans again," the recidivism rate will skyrocket.
Of course, if you execute the illegal combatants for being illegal combatants, the recidivism rate is, well, zero.

Hang 'em high, in the town square in Iraq or Afganistan. I don't care if they think they are martyrs or not, we need to nip it in the bud.

 

[NYBamaFan]

As they work their way down the list of "not-so-bad" to the "I can't wait to get out of here and start killing Americans again," the recidivism rate will skyrocket.
Of course, if you execute the illegal combatants for being illegal combatants, the recidivism rate is, well, zero.

That was the point of my original post...

 

[Bamabuzzard]

You are correct! We set the standard for the world.

The bad thing is it seems our country is the only one that seems to play by any "rules" when it comes to war and things of that nature. We can set the "standard" all we want but if we're the only ones that put any merit into the standard and the only ones that practice what good does it do but get more people killed than need be?

 

[gmart74]

I have always thought that to protect a free, honorable society you need a few nasty people on the side to do what no one else would do. You do not prosecute these people and you limit their aggression to only those that harm our society and skirt our laws. However, you allow them to do whatever they need to do to accomplish the task. Unfortunately we all want to be safe but we don't want to pay the price to achieve it.

 

[Ldlane]

I have always thought that to protect a free, honorable society you need a few nasty people on the side to do what no one else would do. You do not prosecute these people and you limit their aggression to only those that harm our society and skirt our laws. However, you allow them to do whatever they need to do to accomplish the task. Unfortunately we all want to be safe but we don't want to pay the price to achieve it.

I thought we tried that with Noriega, Sadaam Hussein, and all of the graduates from the "School of the Americas"?

 

[gmart74]

i was talking about our own special operatives as opposed to our short-sighted foreign policy where we court despicable leaders only to be surprised when they turn on us years later.