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Game Thread: The Obama Inauguration 2008

Giant Squid said:
Serious question: Why hasn't anyone come up with the idea of making bumper stickers with magnetic backing instead of adhesive so you can remove them at any time with no damage to your vehicle?
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I think anyone dumb enough to put a political campaign sticker on their bumper and has to deal with the headache of removing it has gotten what they asked for! ;)
 
Crimson Speed said:
Many of the Guantanamo Bay prisioners can't return to their homelands because they don't want them back. Now what? I don't want them on the U.S mainland, even in our prisons.
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Barry McAffrey has suggested letting them go on the battlefield and killing them there.
I'd bet the life expectancy of an Al Qaida knucklehead in Ramadi today is fairly short.

Personally, I'd put them on trial for engaging in warlike acts while not in a recognized uniform (i.e. using the appearance of being a civilian non-combatant as an illegal subterfuge), convict them, and execute them. I'd bet these morons are stupid enough to admit in court that they were killing US soldiers, under no orders from any recognized nation-state, and were wearing no recognizable uniform while doing it.
In order to protect civilian non-combatants on future battlefields, it is essential that combatants look like combatants, and operate only under the orders of a nation-state. Fail to meet those conditions, and face the law. It is tenderness for innocent civilians that mandates the execution of these ignoramuses.
 
bamanut_aj said:
I think anyone dumb enough to put a political campaign sticker on their bumper and has to deal with the headache of removing it has gotten what they asked for! ;)
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Couldn't agree more. I complain to anyone I am in a car with about that. Either go all out with hundreds of bumper stickers or don't put any.
 
Braveheart said:
Diamond dust, why should we try these prisoners? First of all, they're not US citizens. By "trying them in court", they would have the right to ask for classified information that could seriously hamper or compromise intelligence sources that we need. Second, they're almost all terrorists and have no uniform. Since they don't wear uniforms, they're little more than spies or guerillas and we're under no obligation under the Geneva Convention to extend those priveleges to them. Frankly, they're lucky we let them live.

Third, over 60% of the ones we're released end up being captured AGAIN engaging in terrorism. How many times do they need to be captured before we simply kill them?

Fourth, where do we send them once Gitmo is closed? Gitmo is like Club Med for many of these guys. Before we captured them, they were most likely eating bugs and living on the dirt, didn't get to bathe. They get three hots and a cot at Gitmo. Seldom get cold, get free healthcare, free smokes.

Fifth, by giving them "rights", they can drag on their cases like a 3 ring circus, expose our intelligence assets and possibly get our guys killed in the long run.

Frankly, what they ought to do, is waterboard them, then find out where their families live, take them to where ever that is, pin a note to their backs that "This is what happens when you mess with us" and drop them from a helicopter at 300 ft (no parachute) through the roof of their families home.
Then send the families a bill for the fuel we had to spend by dropping "Mohammed" off at home. If they don't pay, drop a 2000 lb smart bomb on their butts.

The point is, these people want to die. We need to help them.
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Agree! Everything you said is absolutely correct. I wonder why "the powers that be" don't get the message.
 
Braveheart said:
Diamond dust, why should we try these prisoners? First of all, they're not US citizens. By "trying them in court", they would have the right to ask for classified information that could seriously hamper or compromise intelligence sources that we need. Second, they're almost all terrorists and have no uniform. Since they don't wear uniforms, they're little more than spies or guerillas and we're under no obligation under the Geneva Convention to extend those priveleges to them. Frankly, they're lucky we let them live.

Third, over 60% of the ones we're released end up being captured AGAIN engaging in terrorism. How many times do they need to be captured before we simply kill them?

Fourth, where do we send them once Gitmo is closed? Gitmo is like Club Med for many of these guys. Before we captured them, they were most likely eating bugs and living on the dirt, didn't get to bathe. They get three hots and a cot at Gitmo. Seldom get cold, get free healthcare, free smokes.

Fifth, by giving them "rights", they can drag on their cases like a 3 ring circus, expose our intelligence assets and possibly get our guys killed in the long run.

Frankly, what they ought to do, is waterboard them, then find out where their families live, take them to where ever that is, pin a note to their backs that "This is what happens when you mess with us" and drop them from a helicopter at 300 ft (no parachute) through the roof of their families home.
Then send the families a bill for the fuel we had to spend by dropping "Mohammed" off at home. If they don't pay, drop a 2000 lb smart bomb on their butts.

The point is, these people want to die. We need to help them.
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Is there a valid or real suggestion in there?

You make good points, buy my underlying reasoning is this:

We AREN'T the people we are fighting. We do not operate like them, regardless the situation. I don't care if it will send some "message" or not. You might not like it, but the more we start acting against what we promote to the rest of the world... the more damage is done.

The truth is we will be stuck with the mess of GITMO for quite some time, even when the Executive Order is issued to have it closed. The prisoners are going to have to go somewhere since most of them will not be welcomed back in their home countries by any stretch of the imagination, and unfortunately for you, I doubt we will be implementing the free-fall delivery method.
 
DiamondDust said:
Is there a valid or real suggestion in there?

You make good points, buy my underlying reasoning is this:

We AREN'T the people we are fighting. We do not operate like them, regardless the situation. I don't care if it will send some "message" or not. You might not like it, but the more we start acting against what we promote to the rest of the world... the more damage is done.

The truth is we will be stuck with the mess of GITMO for quite some time, even when the Executive Order is issued to have it closed. The prisoners are going to have to go somewhere since most of them will not be welcomed back in their home countries by any stretch of the imagination, and unfortunately for you, I doubt we will be implementing the free-fall delivery method.
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You are correct! We set the standard for the world.
 
NYBamaFan said:
I don't think that there are many "Republicans" on this board. Most conservatives have finally figured out that the GOP has abandoned them...
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Well said.

I would venture to assert that many "Republicans" on this board are closet socialists. Why else would they continue to support corrupt men and women who sell their birthright down the river for a few sheckels.

And the Democrats here are nothing more than Marxists. Those not already beholden to other dubious distinctions.

Only a microcosm for a doomed America.
 
While marketing himself as a candidate of change, he is assuring the movers and shakers of American politics that he is committed to a status quo hardly different from what we have known at least since the end of the Cold War.”
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I never thought I would agree with the socialist party but i guess i have to. For those of you who think a candidate, who came up through chicago politics, who is buddy buddy with Ted Kennedy, who has surrounded himself with Clintons, who took large amounts of money from big corporations, is going to change the system then you are amazingly delusional. I agree with a lot of what Obama says, but I have no confidence he will be able to accomplish anything. He is a part of the system and he will soon prove he is the same demoplican big business lackey just like the last few presidents have been. But possibly people can rejoice and be happy for the next 6 months until this becomes obvious to everyone that voted for him.
 
NYBamaFan said:
I don't think that there are many "Republicans" on this board. Most conservatives have finally figured out that the GOP has abandoned them...
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That, unfortunately, is one of the most accurate statements in this thread! It took me a while, to long, but I now acknowledge that the GOP has abandoned true conservative values. Even worse there seems to be nothing to do about it other than "throw my future votes away" on a third party candidate! Sad times!
 
Professor-JK said:
I haven't seen a smart comment from you yet.
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Shutting down Gitmo would be a huge mistake. So far, we have confirmation that 11% of those released have returned to terrorism. That represents 11% of the best of those captured. If they released the rest, what would the percentage be?

If we release these guys and one ends up leading an attack that costs American lives, I will ask for the blood of those that vote to close this prison...
 
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