Game Thread: The Obama Inauguration 2008

[Vinny]

My wife was watching Friday night Oprah's episode from earlier in the afternoon, she and her pannel were all raving about O'Bama and how they will all be there. Last week she did her show with the topic of her losing the weight that she gained, she had her PA set workout time for her, it was a sight seeing her on a cross trainer :biggrin: I chimed in to my wife while she was watching the show on Friday night. Oprah would have not gained all that weight if she hadn't put all of her energy in getting O'Bama elected :biggrin: I heard, oh that's hitting below the belt :biggrin:

 

[DiamondDust]

If Obama does not issue an Executive Order to pull out all US troops from Iraq within 72-hours of his inauguration, I expect a number of posters on this board (you know who you are) to start berating him due to his FAILURE in getting US troops out immediately - after all they have called on President Bush to do it for months. They point to this as a major failure of his. If these posters are honest, if they are genuine in their beliefs, they will have to hold Obama to the same standards.

(Now sit back and watch the re-posturing...) :eek2:

I don't expect that to happen, although I do expect an Executive Order closing the prison at Guantanamo Bay to be issued rather quickly.

 

[jthomas666]

If Obama does not issue an Executive Order to pull out all US troops from Iraq within 72-hours of his inauguration, I expect a number of posters on this board (you know who you are) to start berating him due to his FAILURE in getting US troops out immediately - after all they have called on President Bush to do it for months. They point to this as a major failure of his. If these posters are honest, if they are genuine in their beliefs, they will have to hold Obama to the same standards.

(Now sit back and watch the re-posturing...) :eek2:

clicky

Incoming White House senior adviser David Axelrod said this morning that President-elect Barack Obama will fulfill his campaign promise and begin on Wednesday the process of withdrawing America forces from Iraq within 16 months.

"He believes that that is a reasonable timetable. We've moved a great distance from the time he started talking about that, and now we're in an area where everyone agrees that we should be on a path to withdrawing those troops. And he is going to begin that process, as promised, on that day," Axelrod said in a "This Week" interview with George Stephanopoulos.

 

[SavannahDare]

My wife was watching Friday night Oprah's episode from earlier in the afternoon, she and her pannel were all raving about O'Bama and how they will all be there. Last week she did her show with the topic of her losing the weight that she gained, she had her PA set workout time for her, it was a sight seeing her on a cross trainer :biggrin: I chimed in to my wife while she was watching the show on Friday night. Oprah would have not gained all that weight if she hadn't put all of her energy in getting O'Bama elected :biggrin: I heard, oh that's hitting below the belt :biggrin:

"O'Bama" :biggrin::biggrin:
ROFLMAO
Like he's Irish or something.:biggrin::biggrin:

Sorry...that just struck me funny.

 

[rolltidescott]

begin on Wednesday the process of withdrawing America forces from Iraq within 16 months.

16 months? 16 months? One year and 4 months? 485 days?

What a failure.

 

[jthomas666]

16 months? 16 months? One year and 4 months? 485 days?

What a failure.

You need look no farther than Afghanistan to discover the perils of immediately abandoning a country. Besides, your earlier post made no requirement as to how soon the troops had to be withdrawn, only that the order be signed within 72 hours of the inauguration.

(Now sit back and watch the re-posturing... ) :eek2:

 

[Bama4Ever831]

16 months? 16 months? One year and 4 months? 485 days?

What a failure.

I'll take 16 months over 5 years. I really don't see your point. He never promised to have the troops out in less than 72 hours. Did he?

 

[Tidewater]

I don't expect that to happen, although I do expect an Executive Order closing the prison at Guantanamo Bay to be issued rather quickly.

Now this is an issue that will be worth watching.
The illegal combatant issue is real, and how the administration deals with it will be important.
I'd like to see every one of those schmucks tried, convicted and executed. How exactly the Administration will do this is worth monitoring closely.

 

[Tidewater]

I'll take 16 months over 5 years. I really don't see your point. He never promised to have the troops out in less than 72 hours. Did he?

15 brigades, 16 months. Reasonable timeline.
I wonder if President Obama will give credit to his predecessor for having taken the actions that resulted in establishing the conditions in Iraq that made this withdrawal a reasonable policy option.

 

[rolltidescott]

You need look no farther than Afghanistan to discover the perils of immediately abandoning a country. Besides, your earlier post made no requirement as to how soon the troops had to be withdrawn, only that the order be signed within 72 hours of the inauguration.

(Now sit back and watch the re-posturing... ) :eek2:

Go back and reread my original post. Do you know what "immediately" means?

 

[jthomas666]

Go back and reread my original post. Do you know what "immediately" means?

Certainly. If you were paying attention, you might have even noticed that I used it correctly in a sentence.

Now, as to your original post, you said "If Obama does not issue an Executive Order to pull out all US troops from Iraq within 72-hours of his inauguration, I expect ..."

"immediately" is not part of your stated condition; instead, it describes the position of the nebulously defined group of people you think should be outraged by whatever. You may have meant that Obama should sign the order immediately, but that's not what you wrote.

 

[Giant Squid]

I'd just like to remind everyone that now is a great time to remove any of those little black "W - The President" stickers from your vehicles.

BTW, for anyone still operating under the delusion that Obama is a socialist or that he is supported by socialists, why don't we see what real card carrying members of the Socialist Party have to say in the movement's leading journal: International Socialist Review:

This issue of the ISR comes on the cusp what will likely be an historic event—the election an African-American president. The election also marks a political changing of the guard, away from the failed policies of the Bush administration and of the Republican party, toward something different. There are reasons, however, to question whether anything else about this election will be so groundbreaking. In his article on Obama and the coming elections, Lance Selfa explains that Obama’s campaign represents more a triumph of style over substance. While marketing himself as a candidate of change, he is assuring the movers and shakers of American politics that he is committed to a status quo hardly different from what we have known at least since the end of the Cold War.”

Lance’s second article, “Can the Left Take Over the Democratic Party?,” is a chapter from his new book The Democrats: A Critical History (Haymarket, 2008). His key argument is that rather than effecting any change in the party’s essentially pro-capitalist character, efforts to change the party from within always end up being vehicles for extinguishing third-party movements by “keeping hope alive” in the Democrats.

International Socialist Review

Feel free to delve deeper into the site if you want any more ammo against the "OMG SOCIALIST" smears. You know, as if they could stand up to the scrutiny of an 8th grade civics class....

 

[Bama4Ever831]

I'd just like to remind everyone that now is a great time to remove any of those little black "W - The President" stickers from your vehicles.

I am still seeing some of those Kerry '04 stickers. :conf2:

 

[CrimsonNan]

I don't expect that to happen, although I do expect an Executive Order closing the prison at Guantanamo Bay to be issued rather quickly.

And where will all the prisoners be sent? I say - send 'em to the White House!

 

[DiamondDust]

And where will all the prisoners be sent? I say - send 'em to the White House!

Well, one place would be a court house... you know for a fair and proper trial. If and when a guilty verdict is handed down, a nice federal prison with an appropriate security level would be suitable after that.

Another place would be the country where they came from originally. Unfortunately, most of those countries don't want them back so we are stuck with them.

 

[Ldlane]

I just have one question......

Is it OK to like the Dixie Chicks again?

 

[Crimson Speed]

I don't expect that to happen, although I do expect an Executive Order closing the prison at Guantanamo Bay to be issued rather quickly.

It's simple to issue an order immediately. Carrying it out is the challenge. Many of the Guantanamo Bay prisioners can't return to their homelands because they don't want them back. Now what? I don't want them on the U.S mainland, even in our prisons.
The withdrawal of troops from Iraq will take years. Once Obama won the election, he started shifting positions and softening his tone. The immediate withdrawal would be playing right into Iran's hands. Politicians have a habit of saying whatever is necessary to get elected, but reality is quite different.

 

[Giant Squid]

I am still seeing some of those Kerry '04 stickers. :conf2:

Serious question: Why hasn't anyone come up with the idea of making bumper stickers with magnetic backing instead of adhesive so you can remove them at any time with no damage to your vehicle?

 

[Braveheart]

Diamond dust, why should we try these prisoners? First of all, they're not US citizens. By "trying them in court", they would have the right to ask for classified information that could seriously hamper or compromise intelligence sources that we need. Second, they're almost all terrorists and have no uniform. Since they don't wear uniforms, they're little more than spies or guerillas and we're under no obligation under the Geneva Convention to extend those priveleges to them. Frankly, they're lucky we let them live.

Third, over 60% of the ones we're released end up being captured AGAIN engaging in terrorism. How many times do they need to be captured before we simply kill them?

Fourth, where do we send them once Gitmo is closed? Gitmo is like Club Med for many of these guys. Before we captured them, they were most likely eating bugs and living on the dirt, didn't get to bathe. They get three hots and a cot at Gitmo. Seldom get cold, get free healthcare, free smokes.

Fifth, by giving them "rights", they can drag on their cases like a 3 ring circus, expose our intelligence assets and possibly get our guys killed in the long run.

Frankly, what they ought to do, is waterboard them, then find out where their families live, take them to where ever that is, pin a note to their backs that "This is what happens when you mess with us" and drop them from a helicopter at 300 ft (no parachute) through the roof of their families home.
Then send the families a bill for the fuel we had to spend by dropping "Mohammed" off at home. If they don't pay, drop a 2000 lb smart bomb on their butts.

The point is, these people want to die. We need to help them.

 

[92tide]

"immediately" is not part of your stated condition; instead, it describes the position of the nebulously defined group of people you think should be outraged by whatever. You may have meant that Obama should sign the order immediately, but that's not what you wrote.

jt, i think this is one of the best functional definitions of concern trollery i have ever seen

too bad there wasn't this much attention paid to what us "radical lefty marxist PETA, want to hang out with Rosie O'Donnell" types though over the past 8 years

Serious question: Why hasn't anyone come up with the idea of making bumper stickers with magnetic backing instead of adhesive so you can remove them at any time with no damage to your vehicle?

They are available, i have one from my running club on our new car.