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Andre Smith: Combine/Decisions/Future

Re: McShay is a fool [About Andre Smith]

bamabryan said:
I couldn't agree more.

I thought coming out of high school that he would end up at guard at Alabama. Overall I think Andre did a great job at LT at Alabama, but there is a big difference between playing LT in college and playing LT in the NFL. Andre had to play LT out of necessity at Alabama because we really had no one else that could play LT and we've had a lack of depth in the o-line for several years now. I say all this but I would not have traded Andre for another LT in college in 2008.

I really think he is better suited to play guard in the NFL. I don't think anyone questions Andre's run blocking ability, but he needs to work on his pass blocking. Personally I think he will have his struggles pass blocking against speed rushers in the NFL early in his career. If he keeps his weight down and gets in shape this will definitely benefit him going against speed rushers.
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I don't agree here. Andre was the best left tackle in college football last season.
We gave up 21 sacks for the season. 15 of them were against Tulane and Utah, the two games he didn't play.

Here's the way it will work out. Trust me.

Everybody early will pass on Andre, because of this, that, whatever...and he'll end up being given a chance by some team like say....New England.

That's why they stay good and the bad teams keep staying bad. The bad teams scrutinize, analyze, rationalize, over-analyze, and make stupid picks.

The elite teams say.."OK...we'll take that questionable guy everyone thought would be the number one pick before the idiots started scrutinizing, analyzing, rationalizing...etc..and we'll get him at a bargain, while they spend millions more on a player of less talent".

It happens every year.

The dumb get dumber, and the smart get better.

Detroit will probably draft Stafford or Sanchez. That will make a difference of about zero wins. But they'll do it. Count on it.
 
Re: McShay is a fool [About Andre Smith]

...but the really good teams like New England don't draft or sign guys with character issues, and when the coaching staff of the college you went to is saying negative things, you have character issues.
 
Re: McShay is a fool [About Andre Smith]

Alasippi said:
Here's the way it will work out. Trust me.

Everybody early will pass on Andre, because of this, that, whatever...and he'll end up being given a chance by some team like say....New England.

That's why they stay good and the bad teams keep staying bad. The bad teams scrutinize, analyze, rationalize, over-analyze, and make stupid picks.
It happens every year.

Detroit will probably draft Stafford or Sanchez. That will make a difference of about zero wins. But they'll do it. Count on it.
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Personally I would like to see the Falcons pick him up and make him a drive blocking guard for their run game.

Detroit isn't all that high on Sanchez, my guess is Stafford (if they take a QB) and you are right it will not make a bit of difference.

:BigA: RTR!
 
Re: McShay is a fool [About Andre Smith]

Alasippi said:
I don't agree here. Andre was the best left tackle in college football last season.
We gave up 21 sacks for the season. 15 of them were against Tulane and Utah, the two games he didn't play.
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We agree to disagree. :)

If you will notice in my previous post I said I would not trade Andre for another LT in college football in '08. I just think he is better suited to play guard in the NFL. :)

I'm sure Andre will be successful as a LT in the NFL, but I just think he will struggle at times going against some of the pass rushers he will face in the NFL if he plays LT at the next level. Andre faced some outstanding d-linemen in his playing career at Alabama, but it's still not the same as the NFL. :)

I'm not predicting Andre will be a failure as a LT in the NFL. Again, I just think guard would be his best position. JMHO. :)
 
Re: McShay is a fool [About Andre Smith]

Bamaball2001 said:
Detroit isn't all that high on Sanchez, my guess is Stafford (if they take a QB) and you are right it will not make a bit of difference.

:BigA: RTR!
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I agree there is no way Detroit will take Sanchez #1 overall. Even the Lions aren't that stupid.
 
Re: McShay is a fool [About Andre Smith]

Alasippi said:
I don't agree here. Andre was the best left tackle in college football last season.
We gave up 21 sacks for the season. 15 of them were against Tulane and Utah, the two games he didn't play.

Here's the way it will work out. Trust me.

Everybody early will pass on Andre, because of this, that, whatever...and he'll end up being given a chance by some team like say....New England.

That's why they stay good and the bad teams keep staying bad. The bad teams scrutinize, analyze, rationalize, over-analyze, and make stupid picks.

The elite teams say.."OK...we'll take that questionable guy everyone thought would be the number one pick before the idiots started scrutinizing, analyzing, rationalizing...etc..and we'll get him at a bargain, while they spend millions more on a player of less talent".

It happens every year.

The dumb get dumber, and the smart get better.

Detroit will probably draft Stafford or Sanchez. That will make a difference of about zero wins. But they'll do it. Count on it.
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Like bamabryan mentioned, there's a big difference in being a good tackle in college as opposed to a good one in the NFL. Andre has never been nor will he ever be the prototypical NFL LT, that's just the way it is. He'd be much more suited playing guard where his deficiencies as a pass blocker (mostly against speed rushers) could be masked more easily.
 
Re: McShay is a fool [About Andre Smith]

Here are the stone-cold facts:
  1. Andre Smith, Outland Trophy winner, got suspended from the Sugar Bowl for violation of institutional rules.
  2. That action on Andre's part played no small role in Alabama's defeat, giving the impression of a player that put self above team.
  3. Andre remained silent on the Sugar Bowl supsension until an interivew that Ian Rappaport claims will be reported in the 2/23 Birmingham News. We'll see what it says. My suspicion is that it will be another mea culpa.
  4. Andre showed up at the scouting combine.
  5. Andre then told the scouts that he might work out for them. Or maybe not.
  6. Andre left the combine without telling anyone.
  7. Andre attempted to explain the situation, saying that he had been looking for an agent.
Those are the unvarnished facts, and they read more like something out of the Tyrell Owens / Randy Moss / Ryan Leaf mold than the Andre Smith we've come to respect over the past three years.

Let me repeat: The best we can say about this is that, while it's internally consistent for a 60-day period, it's inconsistent with the preceding 1,000 or so days. Unfortunately for Andre, it's the 60-day period that encompasses the most important job interviews anyone would ever see, and immediately preceding the most important day most of us can only dream of.

If you were an NFL owner, about to spend low to mid eight figures, not to mention giving up the right to do the same on another similarly qualified player, wouldn't that give you pause? Only those of us wearing the most opaque crimson glasses would say no.

Here's my personal take, with absolutely no inside knowledge whatsoever:

Andre has been clearly and obviously the most talented player on the field since he was 9 years old. He was able to dominate through high school. As a freshman in a lax administration, he started in the SEC and did well. Under the structure imposed by Nick Saban, he flourished.

He has questionable associates, family or otherwise, and fell prey to their own self-interests. In closing ranks with them, as opposed to the Alabama football team, he got himself either suspended or dismissed.

Keep in mind that this came at a time before he officially declared his candidacy for the NFL. Most folks didn't pay a lot of attention to the statement fromt he Athletic Department, but it read as though he had been dismissed, not suspended.

Semantics aside, Andre's actions played a big part in costing his team a bowl game, and he has followed up that faux pas with not much inspirational conduct.

He has the current situation:
He ran out on his college team.
He showed up at the pro combine and said he hadn't worked out a lot recently because he'd been looking for an agent.
He then ran out on the pro combine.
By his own conduct, he has raised suspicions regarding personal character, physical conditioning, mental toughness and choice of influences, and he's managed to do all that in less than 60 days.

None of that is conducive to a lucrative job offer in any field, nor does it inspire those of us who held him in high esteem through the past several years.

I hope Andre gets his act together, because right now, he's looking a lot more like Tony Mandarich than DeMeco Ryans.
 
Re: McShay is a fool [About Andre Smith]

bamabryan said:
I agree there is no way Detroit will take Sanchez #1 overall. Even the Lions aren't that stupid.
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Well if they still had Millen calling the shots all bets would be off IMO. Still, I wouldn't put it past them, they are the Lions after all. :D
 
Re: McShay is a fool [About Andre Smith]

BEATtutorsee said:
Well if they still had Millen calling the shots all bets would be off IMO. Still, I wouldn't put it past them, they are the Lions after all. :D
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You are right, if Millen were still there they would pull some bone headed move no doubt.

I just don't think even the Lions are dumb enough to draft Sanchez #1 overall (now that Millen is gone). They may very well do something really dumb, I just don't think it will be that dumb.
 
Re: McShay is a fool [About Andre Smith]

TexasTideFan said:
No need to add anything else to this. The sad thing is he just flushed no telling how many millions down the drain.
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fwiw, mike greenberg says he thinks around 30million. but mike golic thinks if he gets act together, gets in shape and schedules a nice pro day. he could save himself some $$$ and move his way back up the board. not that i listen to these talking heads, just letting you know what i heard as of this morning.

C'MON ANDRE! get it together man. your better than this.
 
Re: McShay is a fool [About Andre Smith]

pluckngrit said:
C'MON ANDRE! get it together man. your better than this.
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I think he just lost his chance at the obscene money that a top LT in the draft can grab. The Jake Long kind of money. However, he did play LT in a pro- style Offense in probably the toughest conference in the country. He picked up an Outland Trophy and All-American status along the way. A good pro day and he will be a top 20 twenty pick unless he does something else boneheaded like come into pro day weighing 350.
 
Re: McShay is a fool [About Andre Smith]

pluckngrit said:
mike golic thinks if he gets act together, gets in shape and schedules a nice pro day. he could save himself some $$$ and move his way back up the board.
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I agree with this.

I think he can probably kiss being a top 5 pick good-bye, but if he has a very good pro day I really think this will help him a lot.
 
Re: Financial Implications of Andre's Bad Weekend

Well, selfishly, I hope he does drop. Because my coach, Mike Singletary, is on record saying that there's no chance that he gets past San Francisco. I'll gladly offer the rest of the league a healthy dosage of Gore off Left Tackle.
 
Re: Financial Implications of Andre's Bad Weekend

He has no one to blame but himself. He needs to get things together and in a hurry, or he's really going lose even more money.
 
Re: Financial Implications of Andre's Bad Weekend

WMack4Bama said:
It says here that Dre's bad weekend may have cost him at least $23.8 million. WOWSERS
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Ouch. It appears Smith is either (a) poorly disciplined or (b) getting some really bad advice from someone.
I would bet that GMs/coaches would steer clear from a player that appears to have headspace and timing problems.
 
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This morning, Peter King told "The Dan Patrick Show" that, as of now, Smith is down to the bottom of the first round.
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Wow. That drop may not be $23m, but it'll be a lot...
 
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