Pinpointing responsibility...
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The entire sports dept. of the MPR sucketh big-time. Actually, the entire paper sucks. They don't even have daily stock prices, not only are they not in the 21st century yet, they're not even in the latter stages of the 20th century.
Hate to say it, but it might take some nice severence packages to make them go away. As has been mentioned, these guys know where all the bodies are buried and will not go quietly into the night. That being said, I think they need to all be gone--the future of the program could be at stake, and as such a 6 or 7 figure settlement to get rid of them all is a small price to pay. As long as these clowns are around, I'll never be confident that due diligence is being done when it comes to being compliant to NCAA rules.
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I don't think we need to become Auburn over this. The standard severance package should suffice if that is the route we take.
The Athletic Department had Revenue of $62 million las year. Any organization of this size must be run in a professional manner not like mom and pop good ol boys. We better do some serious soul searching before the NCAA really drops the hammer. Don't forget the definition of insanity; doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
The NCAA findings state: "The committee cited major violations involving 16 sports in Alabama’s athletics program, including softball, baseball, women’s gymnastics, football, men’s basketball, women’s basketball, men’s golf, women’s golf, men’s swimming, women’s swimming, men’s tennis, women’s tennis, men’s track and field, women’s track and field, women’s soccer, and women’s volleyball.
The violations include a failure to monitor by the university and impermissible benefits obtained by 201 student-athletes through misuse of the university’s textbook distribution program."
I take "201 student-athletes" to mean 201 student-athletes.
I agree that the vast majority were unintentional, meaning these were the students that received "recommended" textbooks (an impermissible benefit) in addition to "required" textbooks (a permissible benefit). It is entirely conceivable that a student would not go back to the Supe Store shelves, identify the recommended books as such, and turn them back in. If the Supe Store gives them the book, a reasonable person would assume that the Supe Store was correct in loaning the book.
The NCAA also cites the University as identifying "22 intentional wrong-doers."
Taken together, I read that to mean 179 students got recommended textbooks, and 22 went out of their way to bilk the University for the benefit of friends.
This is the bit of poor wording that ticks me off: "The value of the impermissible benefits obtained by these intentional wrongdoers ranged from a low of $32.30 by a women’s track student-athlete to a high of $3,947.19 by a football student-athlete. The committee noted that the four highest amounts, ranging from $2,714.62 to $3,947.19, were obtained by football student-athletes."
Now if the value is the cost of buying and retaining textbooks, then this is deceptive, since all of the these textbooks were either returned to the Supe Store or paid for.
What is the value of "renting" a textbook for a semester? And do the dollar amounts above reflect that or the purchase price?
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To me, I guess it would depend on what you define as "standard", Rich. You have to remember, these guys are heavily entrenched within the AD, some with supporters in high places--which in itself may be part of the problem, if you ask me. If you have a sponsor/benefactor named PBJ or AC, you're pretty much 'protected' and untouchable up to now, anyways....
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Which is exactly the issue that has brought our barn friends to their current state.
Earle,
When did we find out about the first case? If we found out early then why didn't the auditors catch it and then why didn't they catch it earlier and install preventative measures? Those supplies are easy to trace under scholarship.
When did we find out about the first case? If we found out early then why didn't the auditors catch it and then why didn't they catch it earlier and install preventative measures? Those supplies are easy to trace under scholarship.
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Tommy,
Those are just my honest thoughts on the matter, sir--I'm scared to death what might happen down the road if these embicils are kept around. Sad thing about it, and I hate to say it, but I don't even think these guys will be fired. What would you suggest be done with them, if not what I said?
It was basically a case of finding out about all of them at once. One thing led to another quickly, once the XGF in the SS turn in her XBF. There was never any possibility that the matter wouldn't have wide circulation. Had we not self-reported, the NCAA would have come looking, particularly after BAll St...
I can only believe there had to be a huge hole in the procedure at the bookstore for word to get out to 16 of the 19 programs about how to make a few bucks or how to help a friend. Many kids will take advantage of a situation if they can.
In these days of bar codes, scanning, computers, etc, how hard would it be keep track twice a year (or 4 times if you include summer classes) of distributing and returning books for under 500 students?
The beginning of classes is always hectic, so why could the books not be distributed through the Athletic Office? I'm quite aware I don't know all the facts, but basically it is giving out x books to athelete A beginning of semester and receiving x books from athlete A at the end of the semester.
I'm just mad that a few kids have put the spotlight on the university in a negative way again and for what? A little extra pizza money, or in a few cases, around $1,000 a semester.
The AD's office must get a grip and develop systems the athletes cannot get by.
In these days of bar codes, scanning, computers, etc, how hard would it be keep track twice a year (or 4 times if you include summer classes) of distributing and returning books for under 500 students?
The beginning of classes is always hectic, so why could the books not be distributed through the Athletic Office? I'm quite aware I don't know all the facts, but basically it is giving out x books to athelete A beginning of semester and receiving x books from athlete A at the end of the semester.
I'm just mad that a few kids have put the spotlight on the university in a negative way again and for what? A little extra pizza money, or in a few cases, around $1,000 a semester.
The AD's office must get a grip and develop systems the athletes cannot get by.
I'm scared to death too, but your post suggests that we're cheating and would have to buy their silence if we fired them. That's just grist for their rumor and innuendo mill. Just because they do it that way doesn't mean that we are too.
The Conventional Wisdom nowadays is that athletic departments at 1A universities are too large for the football coach to be the Athletics Director AND the Head Football Coach at the same time.
It so happens that hardly anyone in the country would disagree that the University of Alabama football program is one of maybe five "elite" programs. And anyone reasoning clearly also knows that Nick Saban is one of the two or three top college coaches in the country.
Where is it written that someone like Nick Saban shouldn't run the whole Athletics program at the University of Alabama? FORBES Magazine called him, if I remember correctly, "the top executive in the country," or something like that.
If all these people had to answer to Saban, untimately, it might clean up some of this "fiefdom arrogance" and "I know such-and-such Trustee" stuff. Saban wouldn't have to micro-manage the situation. A guy with his ability could handle this. A trip to Saban's office would clear up a multitude of ills.
We are trying, it seems to me, in the aftermath of Coach Bryant's reign, in which he was Athletics Director AND Head Football Coach, to run the Athletics Department differently than it was run when Bryant ran it. And we seem to have proven that this cannot be done, not at a place like this, where Tradition, Reputation, all that, is so important and is always "on the line."
It so happens that hardly anyone in the country would disagree that the University of Alabama football program is one of maybe five "elite" programs. And anyone reasoning clearly also knows that Nick Saban is one of the two or three top college coaches in the country.
Where is it written that someone like Nick Saban shouldn't run the whole Athletics program at the University of Alabama? FORBES Magazine called him, if I remember correctly, "the top executive in the country," or something like that.
If all these people had to answer to Saban, untimately, it might clean up some of this "fiefdom arrogance" and "I know such-and-such Trustee" stuff. Saban wouldn't have to micro-manage the situation. A guy with his ability could handle this. A trip to Saban's office would clear up a multitude of ills.
We are trying, it seems to me, in the aftermath of Coach Bryant's reign, in which he was Athletics Director AND Head Football Coach, to run the Athletics Department differently than it was run when Bryant ran it. And we seem to have proven that this cannot be done, not at a place like this, where Tradition, Reputation, all that, is so important and is always "on the line."
Again the dollar amount pops up.
From reading what the University put out and what the NCAA found, it appears to me that even the intentional wrongdoers got the use of $3,900 worth of books (over the course of several semesters), but the textbooks themselves had to be turned in at the end of the semester or were charged to the student's account. Getting the use of an asset is not the same thing as owning and retaining the asset.
Am I incorrect in this view?
I believe it is important for the University and its students/fans to be honest and clear about this, especially is ill-informed and malicious rival fans make reckless accusations.
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Lyn, TW is correct. The books always went back. What was needed was a system to make sure course drops and book turn-ins were coordinated. They are now, with an NCAA official overseeing the process...
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