Somehow I don't think this is the last time we'll see Janzen's name on the police blotter.
3 UT players arrested last night
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Somehow I don't think this is the last time we'll see Janzen's name on the police blotter.
That does seem to be the general consensus with most UT fans right now, and it's honestly what I expect too.
The other two will probably rot in prison somewhere, but if Jackson isn't headed to a penitentiary somewhere, Kiffin will keep him around.
I was really asking about the conclusion that JJ was the "lookout". That is pure speculation, at this point. It isn't really supported by the facts as they have been reported. It may turn out to be true, but we don't know. How often is the media wrong about this stuff? It might be easier to list the few times that they have been correct...
If JJ is innocent, why would Kiffin get rid of him?
I hear that the inmates in the prison systems up there are already calling dibs to get nuCheeks as their cell mate. The just love them 4 star wide receivers in prison.
Tenn, I have always enjoyed your posts and thought you a reasonable and informed person but do you and other Vol fans really believe that JJ didn't know anything about the robbery and that the other two were just waiting for him to leave the car so they could carry one out? And they didn't let on despite the back that they were friends, teammates and there was a loaded pistol in the car?
"We have to get out of here" is a very different from the "What the hell are you doing? Leave these folks alone and get back to our car!" response one would expect from a surprised, unwitting bystander.
It is y'all's house and I really don't care how the UT adminstration or CLK conclude this affair, but don't expect the non-Vol nation to be more than a little cynical about the current spin coming out of Knoxville.
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Because he is a third string player with limited ability. Jim Bob Cooter is already off this team. The only reason he has any chance at staying on that team is because of his football ability.
I'm trying to be careful with rocks in my glass house.
JuWan Simpson
Jimmy Johns
Jeremy Elder
...etc.
JuWan Simpson
Jimmy Johns
Jeremy Elder
...etc.
No one is throwing rocks!
Heck, I'd go so far as to say, most on this topic have shown a great sense of remorse, but for us to say justice should be served, in whatever means it is, are not out of line...
Without knowing the facts of the case, I think it is just the type of thing one might reasonably say to change a bad situation with minimal confontation.
Those rocks must be in your head...JS not even close to compare...the other 2 were booted from the team next day.
Kiffin is dragging his feet and that's part of the problem. The other problem is just the environment he's creating. Be is knowingly lying to a group of people about a non-call the league has already clarified or his other antics he's not exactly giving himself the benefit of a doubt.
Besides that, when's the last time Alabama signed a rapist? What Kiffin has going on over there is messed up and keeps this from looking like a isolated incident.
JJ was released from jail on his own, without having to post bond; the other two had to post bonds to get bailed out.
So, maybe the authorities see his participation in the whole thing as less severe than the other two. I'm not saying he is or isn't guilty of anything, but with the other two having to post bonds and him walking out on his own recognizance, well...somebody thinks he didn't really do much.
So, maybe the authorities see his participation in the whole thing as less severe than the other two. I'm not saying he is or isn't guilty of anything, but with the other two having to post bonds and him walking out on his own recognizance, well...somebody thinks he didn't really do much.
CBI,
If it were me and I was surprised to find that my two companions for the evening were in the middle of an armed robbery, deflating the situation would not be my top priority. I think I would be vociferously surprised, royally angry and more than little concerned about getting out of the situation with my person and reputation intact. Just me, I guess.
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I'm sure if I were standing in front of the judge and told them I got out of the car only to realize my friends were robbing someone I would be asked why I didn't run away. I mean its not like he doesn't run a 4.4-40.
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JJ is not innocent. He may not be guilty of armed robbery as determined by a jury of his peers at a later date, but he is not innocent.
You are right that you really cannot compare what Simpson did to what these three have allegedly done, nor can you compare him to Jimmy Johns or Jeremy Elder.
However, with that said, I do think you can legitimately say that keeping Simpson around in 2006 -- even if that may have been the correct punishment for the crime he committed -- certainly hurt the team in the long-run. It reinforced the notions that were already in place with regard to discipline and doing things the right way. Hindsight 20 / 20, it would have probably been better for Shula and the 2006 team had they sent him packing. If he gets kicked to the curb in May of 2006, I'd bet good money that the summer conditioning program and the level of intensity and preparation would have been a good bit different with the returning players.
And, frankly, I could see that same thing happening in Knoxville. If you ever let a star player slide when they make a major mistake, that almost always sets the tone for the behavior and the commitment of the rest of the team.
I agree.
He may not be guilty of armed robbery, but unless there is just a complete misunderstanding with the facts that have been communication -- which is highly unlikely -- then he is guilty of something. It may just be guilty of being an accomplice, but again he's guilty of something.
I stated yesterday that this wouldn't be like TutorGate and could not be swept under the rug - it seems now like I was 100% wrong.
It seems clear that the victims would have never called 911 if they had known that the perps were UT football players - especially freshman starters. They are already recanting their stories little by little. It's been reported that they've said that they never felt threatened at all and that the players shouldn't be suspended from the team.
The only way that Janzen walks out with no bond is if Richardson & Edwards cleared him or if the victims did.
When the dust clears, this will all be chalked up to a unfortunate misunderstanding - i.e. the players were just joking around and they thought the "victims" realized that. The victims will eventually remember that the players were actually really polite, friendly and joking around with them and the only reason they called 911 was because they were loopy from late night studying and weren't thinking straight.
Janzen and Richardson will be "sternly" punished for being out late because "Kiffen don't take no crap" and will be forced to run the bleachers during the offseason.
Edwards is an unknown though. Depending on his playing ability, he may be thrown off the team for "an unrelated incident".
It seems clear that the victims would have never called 911 if they had known that the perps were UT football players - especially freshman starters. They are already recanting their stories little by little. It's been reported that they've said that they never felt threatened at all and that the players shouldn't be suspended from the team.
The only way that Janzen walks out with no bond is if Richardson & Edwards cleared him or if the victims did.
When the dust clears, this will all be chalked up to a unfortunate misunderstanding - i.e. the players were just joking around and they thought the "victims" realized that. The victims will eventually remember that the players were actually really polite, friendly and joking around with them and the only reason they called 911 was because they were loopy from late night studying and weren't thinking straight.
Janzen and Richardson will be "sternly" punished for being out late because "Kiffen don't take no crap" and will be forced to run the bleachers during the offseason.
Edwards is an unknown though. Depending on his playing ability, he may be thrown off the team for "an unrelated incident".
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