As Great as Saban is, he was out-coached by Les Miles Today

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[deliveryman35]

I agree. We have the best coach in the business, but yes he most certainly was outcoached in this game. That being said, you don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Our MAIN problem is still lack of execution on the field.

 

[Dallas4Bama]

Sad.




Very sad.

Isn't it?
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[Bamafan P.T.]

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Then please remove your name from Tide Pride if you are a member and let true loyal fans have the opportunity to take your place. :mad2:

 

[BrotherOfBear]

The fake punt was a wash.

Jefferson found one WIDE OPEN receiver. Most quarterbacks gain confidence when their receivers are wide open. I would be willing to bet the coverage that we called didn't allow for Randle to be wide open. Take away the Randle reception and Jefferson had 63 yards passing on 9 completions.

Ingram got around the edge a couple of times. He got stopped around the corner just as many times. Bama is built for running up the middle. The holes that were there at the beginning of the year have gotten considerably smaller. The front line is getting owned a lot more frequently.

 

[deliveryman35]

I disagree totally... three points bear it out. First, as has been mentioned, the Tigers pulled out all the stops today - they knew it would be close and in close games, calls like the fake punt and 4th down play shows they worked on those kind of things. We, on the other hand, did NOTHING different.

Second, CLS went for broke last in the first half. The fact he would pass from his own end of the field when he could easily get out of the half instilled the confidence in Jefferson and helped propel his 2nd half performance. Even in the 4th quarter while down, coaches wouldn't call plays for downfield passes - our scoring drive was methodical at best and limited us later. Worst thing??? We had momentum with this aspect of the game after UT.

Third, CLM realized JJ was gaining confidence and stayed with him. Us, on the other hand, we won't stay with a hot hand. Ingram was in the zone today... and ran wild outside to the left. Yet, we go away from it and him... probably in the name of balance and trying Richardson play. I believe had we stayed with the outside running game with Ingram, we win this game.

Simply put today... we were outcoached. Not saying the players didn't have a lot to do with it also... but we didn't put guys in the same place Miles and the LSU coaches did with theirs today. And we got beat in part because of it.

Agree with most of what you say but no way you beat this LSU team just running the football. They're too good up front. For every good carry Mark had he had one or more for little or no gains. We needed more play action, designed roll-outs(something we seemingly never do), and more of the short passing game. As I've said, we've gone totally vanilla and become way too predictable on O. Teams have figured us out as a conventional O that is relatively easy to prepare for compared to a spread O.
I really think our O will get tweeked big time in the offseason.

 

[BAMARICH]

Agree with most of what you say but no way you beat this LSU team just running the football. They're too good up front. For every good carry Mark had he had one or more for little or no gains. We needed more play action, designed roll-outs(something we seemingly never do), and more of the short passing game. As I've said, we've gone totally vanilla and become way too predictable on O. Teams have figured us out as a conventional O that is relatively easy to prepare for compared to a spread O.
I really think our O will get tweeked big time in the offseason.

When you watch the replay of the game, take a look at how often MI ran a play to the left side designed to go outside... and then ask yourself "what could we have done staying with that scheme and play-action passing off of it?" It's not just about the running... it's about P-A off of it as well.

 

[disneybama]

...Simply put today... we were outcoached. Not saying the players didn't have a lot to do with it also... but we didn't put guys in the same place Miles and the LSU coaches did with theirs today. And we got beat in part because of it.

I agree with every point.

Saban is still an awesome coach, but at least twice this season he did less than he could have to prepare his team to win. It will happen again. It has to. He is human. But I'd still rather have him walking our sidelines than anyone else coaching today.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

It seems the coaching staff doesn't have much confidence in the run blocking of the OL, hence the lack of sticking with the running game when a back is "hot". If that's not it then I can't explain it. I saw the same thing you did and kept scratching my head wondering why we weren't milking the play action off that all day. I don't know. :conf2: The direction of our offense has baffled me all year. :conf2:

When you watch the replay of the game, take a look at how often MI ran a play to the left side designed to go outside... and then ask yourself "what could we have done staying with that scheme and play-action passing off of it?" It's not just about the running... it's about P-A off of it as well.

 

[AIIIGHTTT]

Our defense giving up big plays killed us, turnovers killed us, trying to run the ball inside all day long killed us (when the outside was there for the taking), not falling on there fumbles killed us, not threatening downfield killed us, poor tackling, lack of pass rush, leaving guys WIDE FREAKIN OPEN killed us, not coacing.

 

[JDCrimson]

Its just seems like there is chemistry missing in this team or something. But it seems like they approach the game as a grind or a job. There is no passion in this team to want to play.

Honestly, I think we need to work on the tempo of our offense. We seem to play better and with more intensity when we go no huddle or go with quick snap counts. The slower we play the less effective I think we are. As far as I am concerned, the wildcat formation should be buried. Its obvious the defenses know what to expect when we line up in that formation.

Honestly, we made no effort today to separate ourselves from LSU in our offensive gameplan. I thought we were passing the ball fairly effectively but we didnt test em down field again this game. Likewise, another poster previously said, we were having success running the ball to the left outside.

What's more disappointing is it looks as though we wasted the off-week in changing our tendencies or improving our fundamentals. And whatever we did to try and inspire this team to play with more intensity/passion didnt work.

However, I will say this again, I think GMac is giving us all he can. I dont think he can consistently put the team on his back and beat teams throwing the football. Opposing defenses know this now.

I dont what the plans for Ingram, Julio, or Dareus are in the offseason, but I dont think this season has done anything to improve their draft stock. I were them I would really consider coming back next season and playing with a more athletic QB and more seasoned defense.

I also think we might see some shake up in the staff in the offseason as well.

 

[Dallas4Bama]

Agree with most of what you say but no way you beat this LSU team just running the football. They're too good up front. For every good carry Mark had he had one or more for little or no gains. We needed more play action, designed roll-outs(something we seemingly never do), and more of the short passing game. As I've said, we've gone totally vanilla and become way too predictable on O. Teams have figured us out as a conventional O that is relatively easy to prepare for compared to a spread O.
I really think our O will get tweeked big time in the offseason.

You are right about not beating LSU running the ball. They are built to stop the run first.

A conventional offense is also unstoppable if you execute. We ran the same offense last year but executed well and had different results. CNS is always going to run a ball control offense. Here's something I find interesting. When Tubs headed out to Lubbock TX we all said that there is no way a defensive, ball control coach will allow their high flying offense to continue. Yet many seem shocked that CNS likes to control the ball with conventional running plays and a lot of short passes close to the line of scrimmage. That's what the man believes in. Sure he wants to see "explosive plays" at times, but at his core he believes in ball control and field position. That's just who he is.

Delivery I'm not suggesting that's what you're expecting, but many seem to feel that way. I agree we may see some changes, but I expect CNS to focus more on executing what we do correctly instead of finding a different way to do it.
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[BAMARICH]

It seems the coaching staff doesn't have much confidence in the run blocking of the OL, hence the lack of sticking with the running game when a back is "hot". If that's not it then I can't explain it. I saw the same thing you did and kept scratching my head wondering why we weren't milking the play action off that all day. I don't know. :conf2: The direction of our offense has baffled me all year. :conf2:

Two possibilities IMO. One is that someone on the coaching staff believes it's going to hurt our WR/TE/QB recruiting if we pound the ball and don't have good balance. Two is that we have an OC who tries to out-think the other team and in the meantime hurts his own by going away from bread/butter. Think about this one fact... after we get stonewalled at the goal line the first time inside the 5 yard-line, we get down there again and what do we run to get it in? An outside run to the left side. It was there all night and we went away from it!!!

 

[crimson2713]

The thing is Miles is a freakin leprecaun or something!! I mean can you be any more luckier? Bama was tricked and it worked twice with the reverse and fake fg. We can do better but the ball needs to bounce our way every now and then!! Our fumble recovery ratio is last in the NCAA!!!! Step it up!!

 

[SeattleBama]

It just doesn't seem CNS's heart was in it today

Just for the record, this is total BS and one of the worst posts I have ever read.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Now that we're probably all but out of the championship hunt I would bet CNS is about to go up and down the organizational chart and do some evaluating. IMO he has to. Teams have figured our offense out. We nothing more than a pattern of plays. I'm sure it'll be addressed.

Two possibilities IMO. One is that someone on the coaching staff believes it's going to hurt our WR/TE/QB recruiting if we pound the ball and don't have good balance. Two is that we have an OC who tries to out-think the other team and in the meantime hurts his own by going away from bread/butter. Think about this one fact... after we get stonewalled at the goal line the first time inside the 5 yard-line, we get down there again and what do we run to get it in? An outside run to the left side. It was there all night and we went away from it!!!

 

[SeattleBama]

Sorry, I'm really not buying the argument that we have far superior talent on the field and should never lose a game. We lost it happens. There is plenty of work to be done in numerous areas.
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Don't be sorry about saying it. It's true.

 

[TideFan in AU]

I agree with every point.

Saban is still an awesome coach, but at least twice this season he did less than he could have to prepare his team to win. It will happen again. It has to. He is human. But I'd still rather have him walking our sidelines than anyone else coaching today.

How do you KNOW that? CNS is human and does make mistakes, but is Stepen Garcia having the game of his career, or Gmac fumbling at the 25, or Milliner or Kirkpatrick blowing coverage, or Maze dropping a pass CNS' fault? We lost these games because of plays made by our opponents and/or plays NOT made by our players. All the while CNS is telling everyone, including our team, that we aren't playing complete games. He knows more than anyone that we have issues, and I think he trying harder than anyone to try to fix them, but he can't play the game on the field. Saying "he did less than he could have to prepare his to win" is presumptuous and unfair...

 

[deliveryman35]

It seems the coaching staff doesn't have much confidence in the run blocking of the OL, hence the lack of sticking with the running game when a back is "hot". If that's not it then I can't explain it. I saw the same thing you did and kept scratching my head wondering why we weren't milking the play action off that all day. I don't know. :conf2: The direction of our offense has baffled me all year. :conf2:

But, but... I thought this O was going to set all-time records and be proclaimed the best in school history?:wink: That is exactly what was being written by some folks on here--.... last week. The warning signs have been there since the Arkansas game and even Coach Saban recognized them, but many fans have simply stuck their heads in the sand and ignored reality.

We have some great skilled players but the simple fact of the matter is our O as a whole has not gelled(sp?) and become a cohesive unit all year against good competition. We ran up big numbers against cupcakes, thus the inflated statistics. I still think we can finish strong and go out on a high note this season but even if we do I think Nick will revisit our whole offensives strategy and we'll probably see some changes implemented. I'm not worried about it because I know our program is in good hands. Remember we're just fans, I guarantee you that Nick is 100 times more unhappy with our O than any of us are.

 

[SeattleBama]

We got our arses beat on the LOS on both sides of the ball, simple as that.

I don't agree. There were many plays where McElroy had ample time to throw, and he did.

Our secondary was the weak link. Sure, we didn't put pressure on Jeff and Lee like we needed too, but my god, their receivers were beating our dbacks all day.