Bama fans do understand that Mizzou fans stopped thinking Big10 long ago, right?

I agree with those who contend Mizzou is the best choice for #14 from a business perspective. (This assumes ACC schools are not an option... An assumption I believe to be correct at this point in time.)

If I had a vote, I'd cast it for bringing Mizzou into the SEC. Then I'd work out the details of which division etc. I'd drop the annual Auburn game before I'd drop the annual TN game.
 
I have family all over Missouri, and I tell them regularly mizzou better not come to the sec. Unless of course , they like winning 1 to 2 games yearly for the next decade or so,and want that winning record versus alabama to vanish quickly:)

Now in basketball and baseball they could compete immediately.
 
Thanks Craig for your insight. I appreciate your perspective and the wealth of info you provided. So if you were to rank your team within the current football and basketball programs already competing in the SEC where you would see yourselves fitting in? I think you were trying to say you would be at the top of the middle of the SEC which if you look at this years standings in the West would put you right in there with Arkansas. Again, I probably only watch your team play once a year and have lost some interest in Mizzou since Chase moved on, but I think that might be a bit of a stretch. Maybe the better way to look at this is based on the normal rankings in the west with Bama & LSU at the top being rounded out with Arkansas and Auburn representing the middle do you think you can compete year in and year out with Arkansas and Auburn and challenge Bama and LSU every so often? Or do you think you can consistently compete at the top of the conference regardless of division...?

I looked at the final AP poll rankings going back to the 2000 season and in 2007 y'all finished 4th behind LSU (1) and Georgia (2). In 2008 Missou finished 19th behind Florida (1), Alabama (6), Georgia (13), Ole Miss (14). In 2010 Missou finished 18th behind Auburn (1*), LSU (8), Alabama (10), Arkansas (12) and Miss State (15). Outside of those years (2007, 2008, 2010) Missou did not finish in the Top 25. Your highest finish was 4th while the SEC has had (as you know) 4 different teams win it all over the that time...

Thanks for your insight. I am not attacking I am just trying to understand this from a competitive nature.

Mizzou is a program that has gone through some rough times. But for the past six or seven years, this football team has been very good. It coincides with a major upgrade in facilities, and the fact that there has been almost no turnover in our coaching staff. We have also established a strong foothold in Texas recruiting, which, thanks to A & M being a part of the SEC now, wouldn't have to be lost. All teams go in cycles. Mizzou will have some bad years, and it will have some good years. We have a young team now, and despite an unbelievable number of injuries (our running backs corps was reduced from 5 to 1, we lost 3 of our linemen), we still have a solid team. Again, I would say that we can compete with the top of the SEC sometimes, but we're not at the level of the top teams consistently. Nobody disputes that. We're fully aware of the fact that being in the SEC will force our program to step it up a lot of we want success. But other than Oklahoma, there's nobody in the Big 12 with a consistent record of success comparable to the top teams in the SEC. Texas sucked last year, and they're not that good this year, and despite every competitive advantage, they consistently under-perform, a few great years notwithstanding. But if you were to put Mizzou's collective body of work over the past seven or eight years up against Ole Miss, Miss St., Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, and South Carolina, I'd take Mizzou's. Arkansas is very good this year, and they're rarely bad (though we embarrassed them the last time we played them in the Cotton Bowl).

Moreover, I think being in the SEC will improve our recruiting, not hurt it. Of course, the decision as to which teams to include in the SEC are largely driven by business decisions and television markets, not so much wins and losses (though compare Mizzou to Texas A & M over the past decade--we win that battle, though they may be pretty good this year). So if you're looking to bring a world-beater to the best conference in college football, you're not really going to find one (maybe Oklahoma, but trust me, you'll get sick of them really fast). But if you're looking for a team that is going to be a solid contributor, Mizzou's your team.
 
"No, you really don't wish for us BAMA fans to feel that intense toward Mizzou. That would mean y'all have done a very very bad deed at BAMA's expense."


Look, we may lost that battle far more often than we'd win it, but intense rivalries are what makes the college game so great. Though I'm sure we wouldn't kill any trees in the process.
 
I have family all over Missouri, and I tell them regularly mizzou better not come to the sec. Unless of course , they like winning 1 to 2 games yearly for the next decade or so,and want that winning record versus alabama to vanish quickly:)

Now in basketball and baseball they could compete immediately.

You can believe that we'll win 1 or 2 games a year in the SEC if you want to. Keep underestimating us, we don't mind. The proof's gonna be in the pudding. :)
 
Sorry, I think I got confused as to who killed whose trees. I guess it was Auburn's trees that were killed. No offense.

Oh man, you almost kicked the hornet's nest there... :D If you do end up in the SEC, you will learn that there is a HUGE difference between Bama and Auburn, and you will not get us confused.

Welcome to the board!
 
Sorry, I think I got confused as to who killed whose trees. I guess it was Auburn's trees that were killed. No offense.
The perp was a confused individual, latter day Don Quixote. His name was Updyke, so the *U fans have taken to calling all Bama fans "Updykes." The irony is that, several years ago, *U's own arborists pronounced the trees good as dead, because they'd paved over the roots and blasted the toilet paper away after every football victory with high-pressure hoses. (They're not deciduous in the true sense, so they need their leaves in the winter.) In the process, they took out foliage and small branches. In addition, they were ill-placed, right at the northern limit for live oaks. Updyke came along and took them off the hook, so to speak. Anyway, Bama fans are very touchy over mention of those blasted trees.
 
BTW, Harvey Updyke is no Alabamian, having been born in south Texas and is a retired Texas state trooper. He adopted Bama as a fan and moved to Alabama after retirement...
 
Oh man, you almost kicked the hornet's nest there... :D If you do end up in the SEC, you will learn that there is a HUGE difference between Bama and Auburn, and you will not get us confused.

Welcome to the board!

I know there's a huge difference. That whole tree story wasn't much news up here, but I remember reading it in USA Today and couldn't remember who the victims were. But I do know of your hatred for one another, and I also know that Bama fans were as shocked by the act as anyone. In the same way Mizzou can't be judged by the anonymous comments of a nothing "official," Bama can't be judged by the acts of a lone fool.
 
Welcome to SEC, but be prepared for quite a bit of apathy. Sure, you'll get some folks who are giddy over the addition, but you'll get many who aren't and really couldn't care less (me). Maybe the TV market thought will pan out later, but right now, yeah it's a huge market....but it's generally apathetic towards college football. The numbers prove that out. Rivalries? I guess they'll develop. But right now no one is getting excited about starting a new rivalry with mizzou. Maybe vandy and kentucky are licking their chops at mizzou joining the East so they'll have competition at the bottom, but that's about it. Not saying you'll be at the bottom, but a few programs hope you'll make them look better, because honestly, it's their only hope.

Really, you're coming to the SEC because the winds of change are blowing, the Powers That Be decided against clemson, wvu, fsu. It's not the best idea to bring another powerhouse like oklahoma to the fold, and there are mixed messages as to their desire to even come over.

Soooo.....you've got a tv market that will hopefully swing towards more excitement for big boy football. You've got academics (goes without saying, really...not like we're gonna consider a JuCo for the 14th member), you've got basketball (fair point), probably have decent Olympic sports (), and a top 40 football program.

As long as you run your football program better than ol' sis, kentucky and vandy you should do fine.
 
I totally get that. I just hope there's a way around it.

There is a way. Missouri should play in the SEC East. They are closer to Vandy, Kentucky and Tennessee than half the Texas teams they play now. And Columbia S.C. is a close as Texas Tech. So ..... Missoui to the east.

Also, I like the idea of Missouri in the SEC.
 
I know there's a huge difference. That whole tree story wasn't much news up here, but I remember reading it in USA Today and couldn't remember who the victims were. But I do know of your hatred for one another, and I also know that Bama fans were as shocked by the act as anyone. In the same way Mizzou can't be judged by the anonymous comments of a nothing "official," Bama can't be judged by the acts of a lone fool.

Oh Lord, that's bound to gig some barners! They do their best to bring the story up and keep in circulation every few weeks. Anything to stay relevant! Would love for them to have proof that it isn't working. LOL
 
I know there's a huge difference. That whole tree story wasn't much news up here, but I remember reading it in USA Today and couldn't remember who the victims were. But I do know of your hatred for one another, and I also know that Bama fans were as shocked by the act as anyone. In the same way Mizzou can't be judged by the anonymous comments of a nothing "official," Bama can't be judged by the acts of a lone fool.

I like your school & mean no ill will but this is exactly why you all belong in another conference in my opinion. First you are not a southern school & do not share our traditions or understand our rivilarys Texas A & M does but I was not for them coming in, but what is done is done.

The SEC is by far the Best conference in football because of the traditions and spirited contests. Helping you all out of the mess you are in with the big 12 is not the SEC's place. What Mizzou has to do is show what value they bring to the conference.
 
The last three years y'all are 30 & 14. The last 10 years it's 68/53. If I were y'all I'd just stick to the last three years and not mention the SOS..
 
There is a way. Missouri should play in the SEC East. They are closer to Vandy, Kentucky and Tennessee than half the Texas teams they play now. And Columbia S.C. is a close as Texas Tech. So ..... Missoui to the east.

Also, I like the idea of Missouri in the SEC.
That's probably the Occam's solution...
 
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