Today's Question: Do you support same-sex marriage?

[Tide1986]

So you can't teach them that without the government creating laws?

Yes, it can be taught, and it can be undone by a government that deems it acceptable and normal.

 

[Tide1986]

If the federal government should be amoral as some suggest, then the states should be free to make their own laws about what constitutes marriage without interference from any branch for the federal government...correct?

 

[2003TIDE]

Yes, it can be taught, and it can be undone by a government that deems it acceptable and normal.

I feel bad for your kids if you need the Federal Gov to help rear them.

 

[2003TIDE]

it can be undone by a government that deems it acceptable and normal.

BTW What are you basing your perception of normal on?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

 

[Tide1986]

BTW What are you basing your perception of normal on?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

Normal is ultimately what society accepts, and government is the primary mechanism through which society establishes what is normal and acceptable.

 

[Bama_Dawg]

The Blue States dictate morality through the air waves. The lack of Christian programming is not the problem. The fact that sex, four letter words, drug use, violence, and anti-Christian themes are on 24/7 to the point where my teenage daughters are unable to avoid it is quite sad. Those focused on Breaking down every Social moral code have slowly flocked to our nations media centers....LA, NYC, and DC.

Let me assure you, if there were a huge demand for the kind of "wholesome" programming you're advocating (and therefore an untapped fortune of advertising revenue available for the taking), every network would be chasing it. Alas, there is no conspiracy to corrupt your daughters. The people you think are conspiring against you -- writers, directors, actors, show runners -- are sitting around Hollywood and NYC hitting their heads against the wall, asking, "Why is the only thing studios will green light?" And the answer is because it's the only thing the masses will reliably pay for.

That's capitalism, my friend. Works great for some things. Not so great for others.

 

[Tide1986]

I feel bad for your kids if you need the Federal Gov to help rear them.

At no time have I made any comments about you or your family so I'd appreciate it if you'd do the same. How you feel about my children has nothing to do with what has been a rational discussion thus far (in my opinion).

 

[2003TIDE]

At no time have I made any comments about you or your family so I'd appreciate it if you'd do the same. How you feel about my children has nothing to do with what has been a rational discussion thus far (in my opinion).

Hey, you are the one who brought your kids up in this discussion not me........

 

[Bama_Dawg]

Setting aside religion for a moment, I want my kids to have a clear understanding of what is aberrant biological behavior.

What the heck is "aberrant biological behavior"? You mean non-procreative acts, like when I insert something besides my penis into my wife's vagina and she inserts my penis into something besides her vagina?

Surely you don't partake in any of that.

 

[2003TIDE]

You mean non-procreative acts, like when I insert something besides my penis into my wife's vagina and she inserts my penis into something besides her vagina?

Surely you don't partake in any of that.

Something tells me it's missionary only for Tide1986.........

 

[92tide]

wow, looks like i need to heat up some aberrant corn kernels in a skillet made of an unholy mixture of materials and cover them in wrongly blessed salt to enjoy this thread

 

[crimsonaudio]

CA - Did you answer the question and I missed it? Do you have a system that's historically worked better? If not - we have the one we have -- and we have to work within it....

Uhh, yeah, no one mentioned changing our system of government. Not sure why you're chasing that particular straw man...

Not trying to say everything we've done is "right" as a country - far from it -- so quit trying to put those words in my mouth -- as you know that's not what I was saying. I don't agree that it's not legal -- I think it should be. But again - there is a process to follow. If we don't follow the process we can easily open a Pandora's Box for future changes as well -- some that you might NOT agree with....then what?

And who said we shouldn't follow whatever processes need be followed to enact equal rights for all citizens? I don't recall a single person here suggesting otherwise.

And I'm not putting words in your mouth - you're the one presupposing that same-sex marriages somehow require a different form of government than what we currently have. YOU argued that our form of government is best, I simply asked which one. If you're black, you probably don't think that the pre-1867 form of the US Government was all that great...

When you compare Gay rights to Women's Rights and Civil Rights (both Constitutional Amendments) what other type of conclusion would most people make? It sounds like a Constitutional Challenge to me.....

Possibly. Or they could simply change the tax laws, etc that would make the law apply equally to all. That said, if states wish to challenge the fedgov in this eventuality, they're free to, of course.

 

[hoopjsn]

I think gay couples deserve the same legal benefits afforded to the rest of us, especially since the arguments against it consist mostly of a sentence or two from an ancient text that also advocates slavery and stoning children for minor offenses.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I think gay couples deserve the same legal benefits afforded to the rest of us, especially since the arguments against it consist mostly of a religious texts.

FIFY.

That's the part I can't get - I find homosexuality to be morally wrong, but I'm NOT going to try to use the law to enforce MY morals. What happens if we get to the point that 50.1% of the population favors sharia law?

 

[Tide1986]

Morality is one perspective, biological consistency is another. Gay couples cannot pass their DNA forward unless they choose unnatural means.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

I think gay couples deserve the same legal benefits afforded to the rest of us, especially since the arguments against it consist mostly of a sentence or two from an ancient text that also advocates slavery and stoning children for minor offenses.

I guess we should go ahead and allow marriage between a man and a horse too...I mean, afterall, arguments preventing a man and a horse from having sex rests in some ancient text you so flippantly reference.

 

[hoopjsn]

FIFY.

That's the part I can't get - I find homosexuality to be morally wrong, but I'm NOT going to try to use the law to enforce MY morals. What happens if we get to the point that 50.1% of the population favors sharia law?

Yeah I really don't understand how people scared to death of sharia law can be in favor of the government denying legal benefits to a group of people based on their own religious text.

Live and let live (until someone's 'living' starts infringing upon someone else's rights). IMO, of course.

 

[Tide1986]

No one has answered my "state law" question. Are you okay with states deciding this issue themselves and the federal government working to remove all issues of "morality" from its laws and decisions?

 

[Tide1986]

Live and let live (until someone's 'living' starts infringing upon someone else's rights). IMO, of course.

Is taking money from one person and giving it to another "infringing upon someone else's rights"? Just curious.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

FIFY.

That's the part I can't get - I find homosexuality to be morally wrong, but I'm NOT going to try to use the law to enforce MY morals. What happens if we get to the point that 50.1% of the population favors sharia law?

That's coming too...