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Hogwash article.
Saban's job is to coach a winning football team, not rehabbing violent felons.
Hogwash article.
Saban's job is to coach a winning football team, not rehabbing violent felons.
Four Bama football players arrested, are dismissed from team
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Yup, garbage article that simply highlights why Scarborough's job is to write opinion pieces and not coach football teams.
Yup, garbage article that simply highlights why Scarborough's job is to write opinion pieces and not coach football teams.
Maybe updyke hacked his espn account. I'm not sure many bama fans would agree with this article.
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Scarborough is an idiot for writing that article. This is beyond football and I bet he would feel differently if it was his child that was beat to unconsciousness. Any suggestions that any of the 4, including Calloway, deserve another chance is ridiculous IMO. This was Calloway's second chance and I don't care that his prior arrest was just for the weed, it was still his second chance and he blew it.
Every criminal has a HS coach, neighbor or family member that always says "they were very nice and I'm shocked." The people closest to someone will often over look the flaws to see the good that others do not see. I always take the "he was nice/I'm shocked" comments with a grain of salt.Wow! This is the first I've seen of this. Have I been missing something about EW that everyone else knew? I may not follow recruiting as well as most of you, but this revelation shocks me. Especially with such high praise being voiced by his HS coach. Maybe his HS coach should be held accountable (JK).
Scarborough is an idiot for writing that article. This is beyond football and I bet he would feel differently if it was his child that was beat to unconsciousness. Any suggestions that any of the 4, including Calloway, deserve another chance is ridiculous IMO. This was Calloway's second chance and I don't care that his prior arrest was just for the weed, it was still his second chance and he blew it.
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Well, it's already been said but yeah, when you beat someone within an inch of their lives... you don't get a second chance. Maybe after serving your time in jail you get a second chance at life, but not at a major University playing football and getting adulation every Saturday.
The only one that might have a case is Calloway, but I couldn't give him yet another chance after his prior issues. That's just me though.
Well, it's already been said but yeah, when you beat someone within an inch of their lives... you don't get a second chance. Maybe after serving your time in jail you get a second chance at life, but not at a major University playing football and getting adulation every Saturday.
The only one that might have a case is Calloway, but I couldn't give him yet another chance after his prior issues. That's just me though.
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This is a thought-provoking article. I disagree with the premise, because being kicked off the team does not close the door to anything - other than a college football career at Alabama. There are lots of teams that would take these guys, who, having learned their lesson and being in a redemptive mood, would probably do very well, perhaps even ending up in the pro's. It may even improve them as human beings, to see that their actions have consequences.
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Saban might take in players who did similar things from another school (hypothetically) but the difference in that scenario is it didn't occur under his watch, and discipline has already been administered. Saban has to be the disciplinarian here.
Not a big fan of the article. The issue here is discipline. Most of these guys are likely to land on another team and get a second chance. The issue here is if the discipline isn't severe enough, you send a message that behavior like that is tolerated.
Saban might take in players who did similar things from another school (hypothetically) but the difference in that scenario is it didn't occur under his watch, and discipline has already been administered. Saban has to be the disciplinarian here.
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Here's a couple of questions for you attorney types:
- If Alabama doesn't kick them off the team and out of school, does the university create liability by endangering other students and keeping someone with this type of history on scholarship or even on campus?
- Do the assaulted students have a claim against future earnings (potential NFL $$)?
Here's a couple of questions for you attorney types:
- If Alabama doesn't kick them off the team and out of school, does the university create liability by endangering other students and keeping someone with this type of history on scholarship or even on campus?
- Do the assaulted students have a claim against future earnings (potential NFL $$)?
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The onlty thing right that the author got right was the title, " What a Shame ". What a shame that a merit scholar student at the University of Alabama wil go around for years hearing footsteps behind him which aren't there . And what a shame so many young football players in Bay county , who looked at Eddie Williams as a hero , now get to look at his mugshot . And what a shame for Eddie's uncle , who helped his troubled nephew through high school and put a roof over his head , to have to deal with this while serving his country in the USAF ! ! RTR...
The onlty thing right that the author got right was the title, " What a Shame ". What a shame that a merit scholar student at the University of Alabama wil go around for years hearing footsteps behind him which aren't there . And what a shame so many young football players in Bay county , who looked at Eddie Williams as a hero , now get to look at his mugshot . And what a shame for Eddie's uncle , who helped his troubled nephew through high school and put a roof over his head , to have to deal with this while serving his country in the USAF ! ! RTR...
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I'm just wondering if all this crap will lead to a lack of FOCUS on our team and will result in a season like 2010 or worse? I hope that we have the leaders on the team to help get their fellow players FOCUSED on the GOAL/OBJECTIVE for the team/program. There is too much clutter as we speak: this incident, A. J's girlfriend in SI Swimsuit, etc. All those things are clutter that causes a lack of focus. Are they going to have the internal motivation to do something that few programs have ever done (three-peat).
Hopefully, Spring Practice will start soon and the players can get re-FOCUSED. We have the talent! Do we have all the other things necessary (including intangibles) to win again. UNITY is necessary! Are we going to be a TEAM with one heart beat playing for each other. We've got to use chemotherapy, radiation treatments, etc. to get rid of any cancer cells remaining and regain the necessary focus.
We've had a great thing going the last 4 years. Are players going to sit back and look at their big BCS NC rings and bask in prior glory or do they sit these things aside and have the desire to achieve something special? They've got to be focused like they've never won it and want it more than anything else.
I'm just wondering if all this crap will lead to a lack of FOCUS on our team and will result in a season like 2010 or worse? I hope that we have the leaders on the team to help get their fellow players FOCUSED on the GOAL/OBJECTIVE for the team/program. There is too much clutter as we speak: this incident, A. J's girlfriend in SI Swimsuit, etc. All those things are clutter that causes a lack of focus. Are they going to have the internal motivation to do something that few programs have ever done (three-peat).
Hopefully, Spring Practice will start soon and the players can get re-FOCUSED. We have the talent! Do we have all the other things necessary (including intangibles) to win again. UNITY is necessary! Are we going to be a TEAM with one heart beat playing for each other. We've got to use chemotherapy, radiation treatments, etc. to get rid of any cancer cells remaining and regain the necessary focus.
We've had a great thing going the last 4 years. Are players going to sit back and look at their big BCS NC rings and bask in prior glory or do they sit these things aside and have the desire to achieve something special? They've got to be focused like they've never won it and want it more than anything else.
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Look what happened at Penn State when their leaders did not take the bull by the horns. Our leaders must really lead and not sweep anything under the rug. Be proactive so that you don't have to be reactive.
Look what happened at Penn State when their leaders did not take the bull by the horns. Our leaders must really lead and not sweep anything under the rug. Be proactive so that you don't have to be reactive.
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- Yes, as I discussed in an earlier post, the post-VaTech world of university liability is a different place
- If their attorneys were to play it right, it's possible.
- Yes, as I discussed in an earlier post, the post-VaTech world of university liability is a different place
- If their attorneys were to play it right, it's possible.
Four Bama football players arrested...
Throughout the thread you would see clearly that this likely has ZERO chance of happening. Save for being innocent they're gone. You could say "Getting Due Processed".
Throughout the thread you would see clearly that this likely has ZERO chance of happening. Save for being innocent they're gone. You could say "Getting Due Processed".
Four Bama football players arrested...
100% this!!!! A three-peat would be difficult enough if everything fell in our favor. If any coach in CFB can bring this group back to focus it's Nick Saban. Question will be just like 2010 - will they respond?
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100% this!!!! A three-peat would be difficult enough if everything fell in our favor. If any coach in CFB can bring this group back to focus it's Nick Saban. Question will be just like 2010 - will they respond?
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if they disguised their identity, would anyone follow them?
the whole purpose of following for most is because you know the person.
if they disguised their identity, would anyone follow them?
the whole purpose of following for most is because you know the person.
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I don't either,Sip. but listen to the Chris Low interview preceding the article...what a juxtaposition! I agree with Chris, and said so when I posted it in the LBN.
I don't either,Sip. but listen to the Chris Low interview preceding the article...what a juxtaposition! I agree with Chris, and said so when I posted it in the LBN.
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They would have to get around the doctrine of sovereign immunity. In contract, there's no remedy - ask Ellis Johnson (Sup. Ct. Al.) When it comes to ADA, there no remedy - ask Patricia Garrett (SCOTUS). Whether or not UA can be sued successfully is being tested now, in the Bishop mass murder up here in HSV, where the plaintiffs have sued both some individuals and the University system. I'm predicting they lose...
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If he lived near campus... would Scaborough volunteer to let Williams come live with him while he is rehabilitating. My guess is.. probably not.
Regardless, these young men, at least the 3, should be seperated from the school and campus. Let 'em start over somewhere else. they've done too much damage to remain at Bama.
If he lived near campus... would Scaborough volunteer to let Williams come live with him while he is rehabilitating. My guess is.. probably not.
Regardless, these young men, at least the 3, should be seperated from the school and campus. Let 'em start over somewhere else. they've done too much damage to remain at Bama.
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At this point I think the only one that merits discussion is Calloway.
Now, Calloway was clearly not actively involved in the two assaults. Piecing together the timelines, however, the assaults occurred around midnight, and Calloway was using the stolen card(s) at the vending machine around approximately 4:00 a.m. He later claimed on Twitter that he was asleep when the assaults occurred, but that doesn't exactly dovetail nicely. Obviously, I think we can assume that the Big Three didn't just come wake him up in the wee hours of the morning, hand him the card, and then have him go to the machine.
It would seem then that, even if he were not actively involved in the commission of the crimes, he could have possibly been involved in the planning, or at least had knowledge of the intentions. Is it possible he had dozed off in the back seat of the car when all of this was going down? I would say perhaps.
Point being it seems clear he is not as culpable as the other three, but it doesn't seem like he has clean hands either (not even considering the use of the stolen card aspect). With that and his previous arrest this past fall, I just don't see him surviving at UA.
At this point I think the only one that merits discussion is Calloway.
Now, Calloway was clearly not actively involved in the two assaults. Piecing together the timelines, however, the assaults occurred around midnight, and Calloway was using the stolen card(s) at the vending machine around approximately 4:00 a.m. He later claimed on Twitter that he was asleep when the assaults occurred, but that doesn't exactly dovetail nicely. Obviously, I think we can assume that the Big Three didn't just come wake him up in the wee hours of the morning, hand him the card, and then have him go to the machine.
It would seem then that, even if he were not actively involved in the commission of the crimes, he could have possibly been involved in the planning, or at least had knowledge of the intentions. Is it possible he had dozed off in the back seat of the car when all of this was going down? I would say perhaps.
Point being it seems clear he is not as culpable as the other three, but it doesn't seem like he has clean hands either (not even considering the use of the stolen card aspect). With that and his previous arrest this past fall, I just don't see him surviving at UA.
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