Toggle sidebar

Four Bama football players arrested, are dismissed from team

Status
Not open for further replies.
Re: Four Bama football players arrested...

TIDE-HSV said:
I was the one who said it was unpleasant, at least AFAIC. It's very active and dynamic and there's just no reason to lock it here. If we lock it here, believe me, the discussion over the matter will continue on other sites...
Click to expand...

If you were to lock this thread it would go back to white helmets, duron carter, and hats. This is about as interesting (although in a bad way) that it can get during the off season.
 
Re: Four Bama football players arrested...

Nolcbear said:
Ugh. This "knockout game" is going to eventually come across the wrong guy, ala Gran Torino.
Click to expand...
Don't doubt that this has become an urban "game" at all. However, I don't think that's what happened in this case, except other than an excuse. I think it's obvious at this point, given the confessions, that Williams was completely filled with rage and aggression. The other two (or three) have personality defects which enabled them to watch without doing anything to stop a potential murder. But, yeah, I've been surprised in a fight or two. I've also surprised some other guys. However, fighting ability is not something I expect from a National Merit Scholar/valedictorian/CW staff member. I just hope that these cretins haven't scared off some other NM scholars...
 
Re: Four Bama football players arrested...

BamainBoston said:
I just hope that his rage and aggression isn't chemically induced. The last thing we need is the stench of performance enhancers attached to the team.
Click to expand...

It would be hard to make this situation stink any worse than it already does...but yes, that would do it.
 
Re: Four Bama football players arrested...

That's not funny at all, just another idiot Auburn fan making a fool of himself. I'm not an NBA fan but if I was, I wouldn't watch the NBA on TNT because I think Barkley is an idiot and I can't stand to hear him talk. Did Rece Davis do anything like this when the Barn's felony 4 were arrested, no. Just shows you how classless cow fans are.
 
Re: Four Bama football players arrested...

I am wondering about the term "unlicensed firearm" that I keep seeing. Firearms themselves need not be licensed unless they are fully automatic or have a silencer or meet other very specific, restricted criteria. There is no registration for, or license to own, ordinary handguns, rifles, and shotguns. Is the charge actually for carrying concealed without the concealed carry permit, or is it that he is disallowed gun ownership for some other reason?
 
Re: Four Bama football players arrested...

cbi1972 said:
I am wondering about the term "unlicensed firearm" that I keep seeing. Firearms themselves need not be licensed unless they are fully automatic or have a silencer or meet other very specific, restricted criteria. There is no registration for, or license to own, ordinary handguns, rifles, and shotguns. Is the charge actually for carrying concealed without the concealed carry permit, or is it that he is disallowed gun ownership for some other reason?
Click to expand...
He was carrying without a license (as Ala. Code § 13A-11-73 defines it). Whether or not it was concealed doesn't matter.
 
Re: Four Bama football players arrested...

TIDE-HSV said:
Isn't the unlicensed firearm charge just a misdemeanor? Given what I know, I'm really puzzled that the charge was so light. It would seem that he could have been charged with more (and still could). I'll bet that, if the TPD had known what he was going to do the next 24 hours, he would have been charged more heavily. You're the expert in this area, but it seems to be a real stretch to me to consider the threatened robbery at the service station and the assault the next day a single incident...
Click to expand...
When I say single incident, I don't mean that literally. It is hard to explain, but even if the gun charge was a felony and since the robberies happened the next day, he would likely face the charges in court at the SAME TIME, meaning they would be adjudicated at the same time so there would technically be NO prior. Does that make sense?

I believe that unless he has a prior gun charge that we don't know about, it would indeed by a misdemeanor and wouldn't play a part in a "repeat offender" situation because it was a misdemeanor.

Personally, I believe the BP incident was Divine intervention. Had he had that gun on him when he beat the victims nearly to death, it would have been Robbery 1st (if not murder) and he would be looking at a lengthy prison sentence. Even if he was to get 10 years on the Robbery 2nd, if he gets a straight sentence of 10 years (mid range) he serves maybe 2.5 to 3 years and comes out with no paper (no probation.) If his sentence was split or suspended, he would have some probation (paper) after serving jail time. Robbery 1st, even with 10 years being the minimum, he would probably get 20 straight (meaning no split or suspended sentence) and he would serve at least a 3rd of that. Most defendants facing jail time want to to the split sentence route as that means less jail time but when you come out after 12-18 months and face 5 years of probation, you set yourself up for complete disaster unless you completely change your life. Say your choices are 10 years split to serve 2 and then 5 years of probation. You "really" have 7 years of "confinement" because of the probation. If you choose a 10 year straight sentence you likely serve 3-4 years in the pen but you come out with no probation. If you screw up under the first choice, you are now a repeat offender facing your NEW charges and now you are also going to be hit with a probation revocation and likely you will serve out your original sentence of 10 years PLUS the prision term for the new felony. This is generally why you see people going in prision for long periods of time for non-violent crimes, aka drug charges, property crimes, etc.


Anyway, I rambled on. I think I cleared up the single incident issue, though. haha
 
Re: Four Bama football players arrested...

jthomas666 said:
If I understand things correctly, since Williams was not holding the gun when he made the threat, and since he did not make an explicit threat, the most he could have been charged with would be something like menacing--which is just a misdemeanor, and he would have been out on bond just as fast.
Click to expand...
Yes. Here is the menacing code section:
[h=5]Section 13A-6-23[/h][h=4]Menacing.[/h] (a) A person commits the crime of menacing if, by physical action, he intentionally places or attempts to place another person in fear of imminent serious physical injury.
(b) Menacing is a Class B misdemeanor.


He could also be charged with menacing even if he was holding the gun and pointing it in someone's face. I know that all too well because it happened to my husband after he encountered a man who had just assaulted me in Lowes last December. When my hubs asked the guy if he had touched me inappropriately and he said no, hubs then said he was going to kick his tail and the wretched pervert pulled a .357 Magnum with a six inch stainless steel barrel out and pointed it in my husbands face. The only thing we could charge him with was menacing for the gun issue and harassment for the perverted rub down I received inside Lowes.

I cannot tell you how angry I am as a victim to know that Alabama law doesn't have a code section more strict than harassment for that.

Anyway, ADHD again. Sorry. :)
 
Re: Four Bama football players arrested...

cbi1972 said:
I am wondering about the term "unlicensed firearm" that I keep seeing. Firearms themselves need not be licensed unless they are fully automatic or have a silencer or meet other very specific, restricted criteria. There is no registration for, or license to own, ordinary handguns, rifles, and shotguns. Is the charge actually for carrying concealed without the concealed carry permit, or is it that he is disallowed gun ownership for some other reason?
Click to expand...

Based on the below, I would imagine he could have been charged for either carry it concealed without a permit, or carrying it in a vehicle.


§ 13A-11-73. License to carry pistol in vehicle or concealed on person – Required.

No person shall carry a pistol in any vehicle or concealed on or about his person, exception his land, in his own abode or fixed place of business, without a license therefor as hereinafter provided.
Click to expand...


I will add the caveat, however, that I haven't really the slightest clue as to how AL gun laws work. Clearly, though, it's not some totally baseless charge, or it would have been dismissed by now.
 
Last edited:
Re: Four Bama football players arrested...

Yeah, Alabama has this:
[h=5]Section 13A-11-50[/h][h=4]Carrying concealed weapons.[/h] Except as otherwise provided in this Code, a person who carries concealed about his person a bowie knife or knife or instrument of like kind or description or a pistol or firearm of any other kind or an air gun shall, on conviction, be fined not less than $50.00 nor more than $500.00, and may also be imprisoned in the county jail or sentenced to hard labor for the county for not more than six months.

AND THIS:

[h=5]Section 13A-11-73[/h][h=4]License to carry pistol in vehicle or concealed on person - Required.[/h] No person shall carry a pistol in any vehicle or concealed on or about his person, except on his land, in his own abode or fixed place of business, without a license therefor as hereinafter provided.

We also have several other code sections that discuss guns of all sorts. Here is the code section if anyone is interested:

http://alisondb.legislature.state.al.us/acas/codeofalabama/1975/coatoc.htm
 
Re: Four Bama football players arrested...

crimsonaudio said:
He was carrying without a license (as Ala. Code § 13A-11-73 defines it). Whether or not it was concealed doesn't matter.
Click to expand...

You can legally carry openly in Alabama.
The license is to carry concealed or in a vehicle.
The phrase "unlicensed firearm" is misleading, as it makes it seem as if the firearm itself were illegal, as opposed to the method of carrying.
 
Last edited:
Re: Four Bama football players arrested...

Hayes, Pettway, and Williams have been banned from campus. Calloway has not been banned.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...yers-charged-in-robberies-barred-from-campus/

The three Alabama football players charged in the beating and robbery of two UA students have been banned from the Tuscaloosa campus, the school confirmed Thursday night.

A school spokesperson told Birmingham News that linebacker Tyler Hayes, defensive lineman D.J. Pettway and defensive back Eddie Williams “have been interim suspended and are not allowed to be on campus pending UA’s judicial review.” That review is expected to conclude by the end of next week.

Running back Brent Calloway, who was charged with fraudulent use of a credit/debit card in connection to the case but did not take part in the alleged robberies, has not been barred from campus.
Click to expand...

Edit: Also, there is news in that story that they have officially been charged.
 
Last edited:
Re: Four Bama football players arrested...

TIDE-HSV said:
Don't doubt that this has become an urban "game" at all. However, I don't think that's what happened in this case, except other than an excuse. I think it's obvious at this point, given the confessions, that Williams was completely filled with rage and aggression. The other two (or three) have personality defects which enabled them to watch without doing anything to stop a potential murder. But, yeah, I've been surprised in a fight or two. I've also surprised some other guys. However, fighting ability is not something I expect from a National Merit Scholar/valedictorian/CW staff member. I just hope that these cretins haven't scared off some other NM scholars...
Click to expand...

These numbskulls made Recruiting a little more difficult also. We try to have an atmosphere where parents won't have qualms about sending their children to Alabama.
I don't see this as kids playing the inner city thug game of Knock Out. I see this as robbers pounding their prey.
I can't let Calloway off... he's already had his second chance. I see him as admitting to theft of property by credit card fraud. When you add in Calloway's previous brush with the law, it paints a picture of a young man who doesn't follow the law. He may merit an additional chance, but not at Alabama.
It's entirely likely that none of these four will be allowed to play for a D1 University, and most small collages would be wise to pass on bringing any of them to their campus. I think it's over for all of these guys... any who don't go to jail are likely thru as football players.
 
Re: Four Bama football players arrested...

Ole Man Dan said:
These numbskulls made Recruiting a little more difficult also. We try to have an atmosphere where parents won't have qualms about sending their children to Alabama.
I don't see this as kids playing the inner city thug game of Knock Out. I see this as robbers pounding their prey.
I can't let Calloway off... he's already had his second chance. I see him as admitting to theft of property by credit card fraud. When you add in Calloway's previous brush with the law, it paints a picture of a young man who doesn't follow the law. He may merit an additional chance, but not at Alabama.
It's entirely likely that none of these four will be allowed to play for a D1 University, and most small collages would be wise to pass on bringing any of them to their campus. I think it's over for all of these guys... any who don't go to jail are likely thru as football players.
Click to expand...

What you say is correct. However...I want to hear what he has to say about this. It is obvious that he did use a card that did not belong to him. Are there instances where any number of players are 'given' cards by students just because they want to be friends, or associated with said player/s? Can anyone say this doesn't happen? Suppose BC was told by his 'buddies' that the card was given to them so it was ok to use? Now, it is a given that he was not involved in the assaults, so he can't be held accountable for that, so if he 'didn't know' (see Cam Newton) the card was illegally procured, maybe he can't be held accountable for this infraction. I don't know, no one here knows until all of the facts come out. I just don't want to condemn the kid before we know the facts, and there is some room for doubt. Just saying.
Roll Tide!
 
Last edited:
Re: Four Bama football players arrested...

Based on the University's swift action, I do not think this hurts recruiting one iota. It shows the parents that the behavior will not be tolerated. We aren't the only school on the planet who has some bad apples.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

New Posts

Advertisement

Trending content

Advertisement

Latest threads

Top Bottom
Back