Four Bama football players arrested, are dismissed from team

[bamacon]

Four Bama football players arrested...

New poster...long time lurker...make of my post what you will.

I have been close to one of the "4" for several years that is to say throughout his elementary, middle school and high school years. Was he a perfect child...no. Did he ever once show a desire for violence...never. My heart breaks for the victims in this case and it breaks for a young man that appears to have thrown away a dream...as have the others.

I have been one to smugly sit back when other schools have these type incidents and cry thug this and thug that...never again! This young man appears to have engaged in "thug" behavior but I hope that it is not indicative of what he has become...because it has never been what he was. How many times in the past I have assumed that someone should have know better than to let thugs on campus and on their team. Well, this has taught me to be a little more understanding, not of the behaviors, but that coaches and universities can not always know....we were around this kid his entire life and are truly shocked at his involvement. How can a coach, any coach know more than we did?

Again, my thoughts are with the victims and their families. But over the course of the next month I will most likely see a kid in front of me that we are calling a thug...what am I to do? I am not a confidant or anything...we are not that close...but more than just aquaintances. If my child had been one of the victims, I may be out for vigilante jusitice...I would at least want severe consequences for all involved. But here I am hoping that this young man has not changed into some "thug" and only is guilty of a really bad decison this week.

Sometimes single, solitary decisons, even those that may be out of character, change lives drastically.

Sorry for rambling...but just wanted folks to know that sometimes behaviors do come from nowhere. And I will never again look at these things the same way again...at Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida..anywhere. I wonder...well, I guess I just wonder about it all.

I understand your sentiment all too well from an experience with a foster child raised by our family. Great guy always drawn by the wrong crowd during wrong things. Can't lay down with the dogs without getting fleas. Eventually they have to be responsible for themselves and who they associate with. Like you said, sometimes it only takes ONE wrong decision. Hopefully these guys will take the wake up call they are about to get and make the most of a second chance in society.

 

[CapstoneGrad06]

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Apparently Tyler Hayes was arrested again tonight for possession in Thomasville.

 

[TideMan09]

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Apparently Tyler Hayes was arrested again tonight for possession in Thomasville.

WOW..Dude must really want major prison time..Very disappointing seeing a kid throw his life away..

 

[TIDE-HSV]

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New poster...long time lurker...make of my post what you will.

I have been close to one of the "4" for several years that is to say throughout his elementary, middle school and high school years. Was he a perfect child...no. Did he ever once show a desire for violence...never. My heart breaks for the victims in this case and it breaks for a young man that appears to have thrown away a dream...as have the others.

I have been one to smugly sit back when other schools have these type incidents and cry thug this and thug that...never again! This young man appears to have engaged in "thug" behavior but I hope that it is not indicative of what he has become...because it has never been what he was. How many times in the past I have assumed that someone should have know better than to let thugs on campus and on their team. Well, this has taught me to be a little more understanding, not of the behaviors, but that coaches and universities can not always know....we were around this kid his entire life and are truly shocked at his involvement. How can a coach, any coach know more than we did?

Again, my thoughts are with the victims and their families. But over the course of the next month I will most likely see a kid in front of me that we are calling a thug...what am I to do? I am not a confidant or anything...we are not that close...but more than just aquaintances. If my child had been one of the victims, I may be out for vigilante jusitice...I would at least want severe consequences for all involved. But here I am hoping that this young man has not changed into some "thug" and only is guilty of a really bad decison this week.

Sometimes single, solitary decisons, even those that may be out of character, change lives drastically.

Sorry for rambling...but just wanted folks to know that sometimes behaviors do come from nowhere. And I will never again look at these things the same way again...at Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida..anywhere. I wonder...well, I guess I just wonder about it all.

I don't know which one you know, and don't want to. However, I can swallow, with a little gagging, that Calloway, Pettway, and Hayes made a bad mistake in judgment. In the case of the first in using the card and the other two in standing by and watching something they should have stopped. When it comes to Williams, I'm off the "mistake in judgment" wagon in a big way. It was an active, wanton and life-endangering act - perpetrated upon two innocent individuals - and it could only be committed by a truly vicious person, filled with rage. It'll be a while before we hear no more of him in connection with the University, but I'll guarantee you we haven't heard the last of his criminal record...

 

[lafella]

Re: Four Bama football players arrested...

Apparently Tyler Hayes was arrested again tonight for possession in Thomasville.

.......... that's all I got

 

[Bama323_15]

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I don't know which one you know, and don't want to. However, I can swallow, with a little gagging, that Calloway, Pettway, and Hayes made a bad mistake in judgment. In the case of the first in using the card and the other two in standing by and watching something they should have stopped. When it comes to Williams, I'm off the "mistake in judgment" wagon in a big way. It was an active, wanton and life-endangering act - perpetrated upon two innocent individuals - and it could only be committed by a truly vicious person, filled with rage. It'll be a while before we hear no more of him in connection with the University, but I'll guarantee you we haven't heard the last of his criminal record...

I agree.
I guess i just felt a need to post because I do see a bit of the personal side to this situation. It is just not some name I am reading in the paper. And how that minor connection has affected my perception of what I am hearing. Then the realization that I have silently rejoiced at similar situations at other universities. For what? So Alabama might continue winning and the other program(s) may suffer. At least for me, these situations will no longer be a reason for being happy that somehow we will gain a recruit because of another program's misfortune...or whatever the perceived benefits would have been.

Sometimes these events have kids involved that really may be good kids who have made a drastic mistake...or maybe a series of progressively bad mistakes that led to a really big mistake. And I can't rejoice over any kid throwing away a chance to change his life for the better anymore...even if he wears orange and blue. (I know that sometimes kids come with a record, etc. and schools take a chance)

Maybe I am being to philosophical since I know a kid. Maybe this is my version of CFB confessional. Somebody tell me how many Roll Tides I need to say for pennace for my past transgressions maybe.... on TideFans.com

 

[TIDE-HSV]

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I agree.
I guess i just felt a need to post because I do see a bit of the personal side to this situation. It is just not some name I am reading in the paper. And how that minor connection has affected my perception of what I am hearing. Then the realization that I have silently rejoiced at similar situations at other universities. For what? So Alabama might continue winning and the other program(s) may suffer. At least for me, these situations will no longer be a reason for being happy that somehow we will gain a recruit because of another program's misfortune...or whatever the perceived benefits would have been.

Sometimes these events have kids involved that really may be good kids who have made a drastic mistake...or maybe a series of progressively bad mistakes that led to a really big mistake. And I can't rejoice over any kid throwing away a chance to change his life for the better anymore...even if he wears orange and blue. (I know that sometimes kids come with a record, etc. and schools take a chance)

Maybe I am being to philosophical since I know a kid. Maybe this is my version of CFB confessional. Somebody tell me how many Roll Tides I need to say for pennace for my past transgressions maybe.... on TideFans.com

I don't think I've ever rejoiced at any kids getting into trouble at any school. However, this incident does point up a pertinent fact - this is our first incident since 2008. Look at the number of serious incidents at other schools in this period, paying particular attention to UGA and AU...

 

[Bama323_15]

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I don't think I've ever rejoiced at any kids getting into trouble at any school. However, this incident does point up a pertinent fact - this is our first incident since 2008. Look at the number of serious incidents at other schools in this period, paying particular attention to UGA and AU...

You are a better man than I have been then. Rejoice may have been too strong of word for what I engaged in...but many times the feeling was positive in nature. I will rationalize my previous behavior to youthful indiscretion...I think I am still young anyway.

Also from a program standpoint...seems like once a program has a major incident all subsequent infractions are bit more magnified...even minor ones, i.e. a player getting a public intoxication citation next week will be much worse on him and the program's PR than if it happened the week before...just the nature of the beast I guess. Hope we are squeaky clean for awhile...

 

[CajunCrimson]

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We don't rejoice over the kid. We are normally rejoicing in the negative PR for the school.

These 4 are not kids I would want my kids around. That makes them bad kids to me. These were not mistakes. These were four kids who intentionally broke the law multiple times. That makes them bad kids. The other schools should give us a hard time. We whiffed on a few. We deserve the ragging.

But, I cannot mourn over bad kids who did bad things. They still have time to fix their lives. That is for them and their families to fix....

Getting emotional wont help them....but something needs to scare them

 

[bamabelle1991]

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I agree.
I guess i just felt a need to post because I do see a bit of the personal side to this situation. It is just not some name I am reading in the paper. And how that minor connection has affected my perception of what I am hearing. Then the realization that I have silently rejoiced at similar situations at other universities. For what? So Alabama might continue winning and the other program(s) may suffer. At least for me, these situations will no longer be a reason for being happy that somehow we will gain a recruit because of another program's misfortune...or whatever the perceived benefits would have been.

Sometimes these events have kids involved that really may be good kids who have made a drastic mistake...or maybe a series of progressively bad mistakes that led to a really big mistake. And I can't rejoice over any kid throwing away a chance to change his life for the better anymore...even if he wears orange and blue. (I know that sometimes kids come with a record, etc. and schools take a chance)

Maybe I am being to philosophical since I know a kid. Maybe this is my version of CFB confessional. Somebody tell me how many Roll Tides I need to say for pennace for my past transgressions maybe.... on TideFans.com

I know EXACTLY how you are feeling, except my experience wasn't with a kid who was a college football player. Heck, he probably wouldn't have even made it to college, but I was really hoping he would make it somewhere besides the penitentary. Sorry you have to go through the feelings of disappointment and shock. It isn't a fun place to be. It is easy to be philosophical and nothing to be ashamed of.

ROLL TIDE!!

 

[RJ YellowHammer]

Four Bama football players arrested...

All those on here that think coach Saban should put the four felons in front of a firing squad and execute them can just go ahead and jump off the band wagon now and forever for all I am concerned! I am a Bama and coach Saban fan first and foremost and as far as I have seen he has done a bang up job in all aspects of his job description! Makes me wonder if some of you are really Bama fans or posers!

I'm really a Bama fan and I really love the Football team and University. I understand being measured and am all for 2nd chances, but I agree with Cecil Hurt here. These players 2nd chances shouldn't come at the University of Alabama. If they pay whatever debts need to be paid, realize the error of their ways, show contrition and understanding, and better themselves because of their colossal mistakes and misdeeds, then I hope they get to be on a college campus and play football again. I just don't think they should get to do either of those two things in Tuscaloosa...

 

[AlexanderFan]

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They have been kicked off the campus people! You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here! Everything that has to do with the football team is........wait for it.....ON THE CAMPUS. I have a better shot of suiting up for the Crimson Tide than they do. Risk assessed, damage controlled, eject button pushed. Come on now lets move on.

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[dWarriors88]

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They have been kicked off the campus people! You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here! Everything that has to do with the football team is........wait for it.....ON THE CAMPUS. I have a better shot of suiting up for the Crimson Tide than they do. Risk assessed, damage controlled, eject button pushed. Come on now lets move on.

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I heard Brent Calloway is still in school, what about football?

 

[TIDE-HSV]

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I heard Brent Calloway is still in school, what about football?

Suspended...

 

[MrRourke]

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Apparently Tyler Hayes was arrested again tonight for possession in Thomasville.

WOW! Is there a link?

 

[WalkaboutSean]

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They have applied for youthful offender status.

Pettway's attorney says he hopes "to return to his studies and to his team as quickly as possible."

I really hope this does not happen. I am with Cecil. If the facts are anywhere close to what has been reported, these guys need to look elsewhere to get their lives together.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

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They have applied for youthful offender status.

Pettway's attorney says he hopes "to return to his studies and to his team as quickly as possible."

I really hope this does not happen. I am with Cecil. If the facts are anywhere close to what has been reported, these guys need to look elsewhere to get their lives together.

YO or not, I want them gone...

 

[MrRourke]

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You are a better man than I have been then. Rejoice may have been too strong of word for what I engaged in...but many times the feeling was positive in nature. I will rationalize my previous behavior to youthful indiscretion...I think I am still young anyway.

Also from a program standpoint...seems like once a program has a major incident all subsequent infractions are bit more magnified...even minor ones, i.e. a player getting a public intoxication citation next week will be much worse on him and the program's PR than if it happened the week before...just the nature of the beast I guess. Hope we are squeaky clean for awhile...

I think it is only human nature to feel better about your Program when an "enemy" has problems.

All Programs are going to have these type issues - the key is which ones deal with it march on, and which see a pattern of bad behaviour develop ala Meyer at UF. The key is to handle it and keep problems from becoming a habit rather than a happenstance.

 

[Bama Reb]

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They have applied for youthful offender status.

Pettway's attorney says he hopes "to return to his studies and to his team as quickly as possible."

I really hope this does not happen. I am with Cecil. If the facts are anywhere close to what has been reported, these guys need to look elsewhere to get their lives together.

I'm really disappointed in how the "Youthful Offender" status is so vastly abused. IMO it was meant for kids in high school, etc. who commit minor crimes such as shoplifting, theft of or damage to private property, etc.). When applied correctly, the YO status allows for the kids to perform community service and/or pay a small fine and then either their records sealed or expunged so that it doesn't follow them into adulthood and possibly prevent them from enrolling in college or the military or obtain employment with reputable businesses.
That said, I don't care for college kids, who btw have already reached the age of majority, to use this as a way out of a felony conviction and possible prison term.
Count me in with those who want these guys gone.

 

[Matt0424]

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First, I hope they get denied YO status. Especially EW. He perpetrated a heinous assault on two different innocent people. Pettway and Hayes are no better, as they did nothing to stop one...and helped with the other. They deserve jail time...YO status should be for reserved for people who make youthful mistakes...these guys, IMO, don't fall into that category.

Second, if Pettway wants to continue his education he needs to do it elsewhere. His ban from campus should continue. The University owes him nothing, and should show him no favor.

Third, any attempt to "rejoin his team" is laughable. I will say, I think there is no way CNS would let him back on the field in any capacity. However, if the dominoes fall so absurdly strange that the University is willing to give him a second chance...I think CNS should stick to his guns, and remove him from the team. There is no defensible way for the University, the Athletics Department, or the Team to allow Pettway (or any of the other felony 3) to continue on, much less continue on while having their way paid.

This is a closed book in my opinion...