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JessN: Auburn wrap-up: Another miracle finish, because Alabama couldn’t finish

JessN said:
Honestly, if some pointed questions about the Auburn game are enough to run him off, he was probably leaving anyway. If he's tough enough to do this job he has to be tough enough to face the press when something like this happens.
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Well people (especially Bama folks) tend to overreact in losses. I have no problem with criticizing but freaking out about to the point of stupid isn't outside of the realm of possibility with our fanbase.


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TRU said:
I think that one lesson from today is that the HUNH is a very difficult offense for a complex defensive scheme to defend. The pace is simply too quick for the defense to pull off the substitutions and realignments that are necessary. This gets the defense flustered and back on their heels.

CKS and CNS are going to have to watch a lot of film and develop an effective answer to the HUNH. Unless they do, more SEC teams are going to start running it and this is going to cause problems down the road.
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You make some good points but Alabama made so many mistakes that I literally lost count....And Bama still should have won. Auburn did not play a great game either. They won because they were less bad today and not because of the HUNH. I have been concerned since the beginning of the season when Adam Griffith was not the starter (because he is a stud kicker) and thought that FG's would cost them a game somewhere during the season. The confidence seemed lost after the first miss and never came back.
Dropped passes, penalties, missed tackles, blown coverages, you name it; all were in attendance today at that game.
Three titles in a row would have been nice but I never thought it would have been possible at the beginning of the year anyway because of the talent losses and statistical improbability, but to get this far and lose to the barn....???? Won't be sleeping much tonight.
 
JIB said:
Others have been more vocal , but you seem awfully down on Saban tonight.
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You are confusing criticism over a job poorly done with something else.

We are not going to take an article and follow-up comments about a loss and spin it into "he wants to look for another coach." Those arguments serve no purpose other than to force someone into a defensive posture, not for what was said, but for something you assume he's thinking. The game analysis and my comments in this thread speak for me, and say only the things I've actually typed.
 
BTW, since the Cam fiasco is still pretty fresh in the national mind and bungled so poorly by the NCAA, it might be very difficult for the barn to get any love from the voters. Maybe the punishment for all that will get them a few years after the fact.
 
Auburn was enjoying just being in that spot. Our guys were trying to not tarnish a legacy. Happens to all great ones at some point. Next season will be interesting with the loss of alot of leadership off the roster.
 
I what a poorly coached game and executed as badly. Thing is this, Au fans being themselves will along the media give Saban all the motivation he needs. If he thought 2010 was bad he aint seen nothing yet. As bama fans we can sit back and let the tiger fanbase apply the pressure.
 
Just because I and/or others think this was a sloppy game at times doesn't mean we want to run our coach out of town or berate our players. They have been outstanding most of this year. Jess will not be the only one in the media to question some of the decisions tonight. That's ok, and those questioning should not be made to be the villain. That's what this forum is about, and as long as it's respectful, I love the debate.
 
JessN, I agree with your wrapup and comments. I do think Saban deserves plenty of criticism for this game and needs to own this loss. I also think he needs to re-evaluate some things and perhaps change his approach on some things. I think some coaches have found Saban's kryptonite and he needs to do some self evaluation and figure out some things that need to be changed in his approach. Lastly, I compare this to a marriage, husbands and wives are not always happy with each other and right now I'm not happy with Saban but he still is the best coach in college football, I'm glad he is at Bama, and I hope he coaches here for several more years.
 
I'll say it. CNS had a bad game..doesn't happen much, but it happened tonight. On the other hand, Gus is legit and they beat us with pure, physical running...not tricks. How many passes did Marshall even complete? 4 or 5?

Gus will get some phone calls...Texas? USCw? Will Auburn pony up the money to keep him? We'll see if he really loves Auburn.

But at the end of the day, we've still got the best recruiter and coach in America.

CNS > CGM
 
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He's going to catch some heat for this game, and he should. It was probably the worst-coached game he's had at Alabama since Louisiana-Monroe in 2007. Doesn't mean people should be ready to run him out of town, but the losses to Auburn must stop.
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We'd won four out of five against Auburn. We lost today. I'm sure Bama will be just fine. I'm also pretty sure CNS recognizes and understands the importance of this rivalry.

Good grief. We've won three out of the four last national championships and some on here are saying Saban needs to be taught this and that or needs to learn this and that.

:rolleyes:
 
JessN said:
The fact of the matter is that 4-3 against Auburn isn't good enough....Doesn't mean people should be ready to run him out of town, but the losses to Auburn must stop.
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Agree 100%. 4-3 against AU is definitely not good enough. He would be 6-1 against them if two talented teams had been able to finish games in which they led by at least two touchdowns. There needs to be a different result in Tuscaloosa next year.
 
The fact of the matter is that 4-3 against Auburn isn't good enough....Doesn't mean people should be ready to run him out of town, but the losses to Auburn must stop.
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3 out of 4 national titles isn't good enough?

Respect you and your coverage immensely, Jess, but are we now basing success on how we perform against Auburn?

Couldn't disagree more with that.

In a lot of ways, we're really a tad bit unrealistic as a fan base.
 
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CrimsonJag said:
3 out of 4 national titles isn't good enough?

Respect you and your coverage immensely, Jess, but are we now basing success on how we perform against Auburn?

Couldn't disagree more with that.

In a lot of ways, we're really a tad bit unrealistic as a fan base.
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The flowchart goes 1. Beat AU 2. win West 3. win SEC 4. win NC. If you don't do number one on that list, you're probably not going to get Nos. 2, 3 and 4.

Therefore, beating Auburn becomes priority one. And really, there isn't a counterargument to that. Find me the last time Alabama won a NC without beating Auburn and we'll talk.

Secondly, you can be selective and take any year range you like, and get numbers favorable to you. Auburn has done this for years by saying "AU is x and x since 2002," or since Bryant left, but the problem isn't just 4-3. The problem is also that in all three losses, plus the 2009 win, Alabama allowed Auburn to control the emotional aspect of the game, and really make the games tougher than they ever should have been. It's not just the losses, it's the way Alabama has approached this game under Saban this is worrisome to me. The results in this series speak for themselves. When you have an alpha-omega relationship in a rivalry series, the alpha should be winning 7 of 10, if not more. Four of seven is not where you need to be.
 
JessN said:
The flowchart goes 1. Beat AU 2. win West 3. win SEC 4. win NC. If you don't do number one on that list, you're probably not going to get Nos. 2, 3 and 4.

Therefore, beating Auburn becomes priority one. And really, there isn't a counterargument to that. Find me the last time Alabama won a NC without beating Auburn and we'll talk.

Secondly, you can be selective and take any year range you like, and get numbers favorable to you. Auburn has done this for years by saying "AU is x and x since 2002," or since Bryant left, but the problem isn't just 4-3. The problem is also that in all three losses, plus the 2009 win, Alabama allowed Auburn to control the emotional aspect of the game, and really make the games tougher than they ever should have been. It's not just the losses, it's the way Alabama has approached this game under Saban this is worrisome to me. The results in this series speak for themselves. When you have an alpha-omega relationship in a rivalry series, the alpha should be winning 7 of 10, if not more. Four of seven is not where you need to be.
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And you have to beat them everywhere. Agree with all of these points.
 
Jess, you should have waited til Monday to write this. Sorry but that's the truth. I'm not even close to questioning Saban at this point. Even with the best of everything, people, you are not going to win them all.
 
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