Saban signs multi-year extension w/Bama, shorthorns on suicide watch...

[TIDEnGA]

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No disrespect to Coach Battle, but I sure wish Coach Moore was still around. I think CNS really respected him and valued his opinions and more improtantly, thought of him as a friend.

That has crossed my mind several times as well. Also wish Dr. Witt was still president. Coach Saban worked very well with Mal and Dr. Witt. I have zero reason to believe he doesn't work well and get along with Coach Battle and Dr. Bonner but still. It's not the same. I think Mal and Dr. Witt are more like family to Saban.

 

[Catfish]

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That 1970s suit on Saban.

I'd rock that jacket. I think I've seen it, or somethig very similar, at Jos A Bank or Brooks Brothers. Selecting a good tie to go with it would be problematic, though. The one CNS has on with it is OK, but it's hard to tell from the little you can see in the picture. I have a blackwatch plaid jacket that it took me two years to find a tie for that I really like.

 

[Pugsley]

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When is the dead time regarding recruiting?

 

[TIDEnGA]

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Random tangent on Coach Burns. I read this al.com article on the coaching staff's salaries and was surprised to see that Burns was the second lowest paid. That man should get more than that based solely on his recruiting ability.

Yep and we were super close to losing him to FSU last year. Hope he doesn't regret that now. He's a rock star among the players. I'd love to see Burns and Cochran each get substantial raises.

 

[TIDEnGA]

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I bet it comes up...in the 4 minutes and 38 seconds that CNS allows for "chit-chat." I bet those flights and drives have almost zero down time. I'd love to hear their chats on the strategies for the next person they're visiting, etc.

You're about 4 minutes and 30 seconds over the idle chit-chat time allowed by Saban.

And I've never seen down time by Coach.....not even after any BCSCG win or White House visit. Always watching film, taking notes or on his cell phone (I assume recruiting). He always complained that playing in the SECCG and BCSCG kept him too busy planning for that instead of out recruiting against his competition. Well this year he doesn't have to worry about that. Hope it pays off in some way.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

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He is a better coach than any of these guys including his buddy Belichick.

I'm not so sure we can compare the two. Belichick coaches in a league that Saban is considered to have failed in. I guess we could speculate what Saban would have accomplished if he'd decided to stay in the pros but Belichick has vaulted himself as one of the greatest NFL coaches of all time with his three superbowl wins.

I think Saban is one of the greatest college football coaches of all time.

 

[TideEngineer08]

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Just dropping this here:

Dennis Dodd ‏@dennisdoddcbs8m
Breaking: UT president Bill Powers expected to remain in his current position, sources told

 

[BAMARICH]

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I'm not so sure we can compare the two. Belichick coaches in a league that Saban is considered to have failed in. I guess we could speculate what Saban would have accomplished if he'd decided to stay in the pros but Belichick has vaulted himself as one of the greatest NFL coaches of all time with his three superbowl wins.

I think Saban is one of the greatest college football coaches of all time.

I believe the reason Saban isn't viewed as "successful" in the League is because he didn't have total control of personnel decisions. Very few owners/GM's are willing to allow it… and I think it's the reason you'll never see Saban in the NFL again, especially for someone like Dallas or Washington.

 

[BAMARICH]

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Just dropping this here:

Dennis Dodd ‏@dennisdoddcbs8m
Breaking: UT president Bill Powers expected to remain in his current position, sources told

Not saying it isn't true, but if it's coming from within the UT administration and it's supporting either Powers or Brown, it can't be trusted no matter which national guy reports it.

 

[twofbyc]

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When is the dead time regarding recruiting?

Begins Monday, not sure how long it lasts.

 

[TideEngineer08]

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Not saying it isn't true, but if it's coming from within the UT administration and it's supporting either Powers or Brown, it can't be trusted no matter which national guy reports it.

I agree. And I also don't trust Dennis Dodds. Just thought it was interesting.

 

[alwayshavebeen]

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I've been monitoring these thread and have a few thoughts:

1. Thanks mods for keeping it clean and relatively rumor-free.
2. If Gov. Perry has his pick on the board of regents and Perry is an aggie, why would he let his cronies approve the hire of Saban, who would turn Texas into a title contender in just a few years?
3. There are other things to worry about in this life like how am I paying my mortgage and buying Christmas presents?
4. Alabama football will be fine with or without Saban. We may have a down period again, but if you've followed college football for a while, you know everything is cyclical and that we can't be this good forever.
5. Roll Tide.

With all due respect I would delete #4. If CNS leaves, which I don't think for a second will happen, we will be right back to the early '80s and I darn sure don't want that. RTR

 

[Bamabuzzard]

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With all due respect I would delete #4. If CNS leaves, which I don't think for a second will happen, we will be right back to the early '80s and I darn sure don't want that. RTR

I don't agree with that. Not with the talent that's already on the roster. We may lose recruits from this class but the ones already on roster are very good. We are also in a different situation from the previous coaching changes and searches. The job is quite attractive because Saban's already done all the heavy lifting (like he did at LSU). I think we could easily find a better than average coach to take the job and be successful. Let's not forget Mike Shula went 10-2.

 

[mittman]

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If we survive this attempt by Texas to steal our coach, is there another program with deep enough pockets to come calling and who do you see as that program?

I can think of 3 right off the top of my head. Yes Texas has deep pockets, but they are not the only ones.

FWIW I am glad we continually have to worry about this. I would much rather be in this position than where Texas is right now. It has not been very long ago that we were right there. Not necessarily with a coach of their caliber, but very divided.

 

[B1GTide]

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From everything that's been said, it would appear that both of these debts have been retired in the past - so they're a non-factor in this equation unless UT is planning on "replacing" some of these failed investments.

Yep, though one was only very recently resolved. I was only trying to provide some specific information as many did not believe that Saban could find himself in this kind of financial trouble. The fact is that only people with Saban's means can get in this kind of trouble, because you have to have serious $$$ to even get involved in these ventures.

Sadly, Saban got involved in CRE at exactly the wrong time. Had he made similar investments 10 years before, he could have made a fortune.

 

[alwayshavebeen]

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I don't agree with that. Not with the talent that's already on the roster. We may lose recruits from this class but the ones already on roster are very good. We are also in a different situation from the previous coaching changes and searches. The job is quite attractive because Saban's already done all the heavy lifting (like he did at LSU). I think we could easily find a better than average coach to take the job and be successful. Let's not forget Mike Shula went 10-2.

If Saban goes, so goes the "process". I agree we would be okay for a year or two just on talent. Saban is the best football coach in America and I can't make myself under-value that. Not to mention he has constanly assembled the best of the best assistant coaches. JMO

 

[BAMARICH]

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With all due respect I would delete #4. If CNS leaves, which I don't think for a second will happen, we will be right back to the early '80s and I darn sure don't want that. RTR

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but IMO there' s a vast difference between what we'd see today and the early 1980's. First, there is the standing in CFB. Though we peaked in the late 1970's, we were beginning a trend downward when CPB retired. Second, there is more talent on hand (comparative to everyone else) on this roster compared to the one left after CPB's departure. Third, we're no longer of the mentality that "it's got to be one of the Bear's boys to be successful here"… which opens up our search to going and getting the best guy regardless of a previous relationship with us. Finally, I would argue that the system that CNS establishes can be successfully maintained - Bryant's was not (for whatever reason). For proof of Saban's ability to put a foundation in place, just look down to Baton Rouge.

 

[Snuffy Smith]

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I don't agree with that. Not with the talent that's already on the roster. We may lose recruits from this class but the ones already on roster are very good. We are also in a different situation from the previous coaching changes and searches. The job is quite attractive because Saban's already done all the heavy lifting (like he did at LSU). I think we could easily find a better than average coach to take the job and be successful. Let's not forget Mike Shula went 10-2.

I agree with your disagreement - I was in Tuscaloosa in the 80's and we simply did not have the talent to compete at that time. I also think our overall coaching staff is in better shape if we chose to continue with Kirby Smart than it was when CPB brought Perkins in to replace him.

 

[92tide]

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I can think of 3 right off the top of my head. Yes Texas has deep pockets, but they are not the only ones.

FWIW I am glad we continually have to worry about this. I would much rather be in this position than where Texas is right now. It has not been very long ago that we were right there. Not necessarily with a coach of their caliber, but very divided.

pretty sure it came out last year that tejas would be the only place he would even consider in the college realm

 

[aTm]

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I've been monitoring these thread and have a few thoughts:

1. Thanks mods for keeping it clean and relatively rumor-free.
2. If Gov. Perry has his pick on the board of regents and Perry is an aggie, why would he let his cronies approve the hire of Saban, who would turn Texas into a title contender in just a few years?
3. There are other things to worry about in this life like how am I paying my mortgage and buying Christmas presents?
4. Alabama football will be fine with or without Saban. We may have a down period again, but if you've followed college football for a while, you know everything is cyclical and that we can't be this good forever.
5. Roll Tide.

RE #2 - Perry has done nothing to harm the Longhorns. He has and always will represent the interests of Texas above all else.

That being said - you don't want to get into a bidding war for his services. If you don't think there is money in Austin you need to think again.

I believe Saban is a man of his word and if he says he is not going, then he is not going.