News Article: Inmate dies following botched Oklahoma execution, second execution delayed

[DzynKingRTR]

my personal belief is

1. we should go back to public hangings.
2. serial killers should automatically get it.
3. if the crime is especially heinous, the death penalty is automatic. (like the murder and rape of an 11 year old.

trash like these two do not deserve to breathe air. and they damn sure don't need to get life in prison on the tax payers dime.

 

[jthomas666]

A little more background...

First, two caveats:
1. I'm not shedding a single tear over this scum.
2. I'm not linking the source because of excessive profanity (it's a good example of how to use excessive profanity effectively, but that's beside the point. Google "Barbarians in Oklahoma" if you're interested).

Now...

Like many states, Oklahoma has been having trouble getting the necessary drugs for executions. There was concern that they had been getting them on the cheap, possibly from a manufacturer w/ poor quality control. Both OK and federal law mandate that the specific drugs and the manufacturers be disclosed--the argument (a rational one, IMO) is that only by knowing what is going to be used can you determine if the drugs will be effective and not likely to cause an overly painful death. Accordingly, the OK Supreme Court ordered a temporary stay of execution so that the questions concerning the drugs could be resolved.

The Oklahoma governor refused to comply with the order (shades of Roy Moore).

An OK state rep promptly called for the impeachment of the court members who had voted for the stay.

The SC then reversed their decision (possibly due to the threat of impeachment, possibly due to the danger of a constitutional crisis that might get the governor impeached, possibly because they suddenly decided that determining the constitutionality of an execution wasn't under their jurisdiction after all.

Again, I'll not shed a tear for the executed murderer. The abject bloodlust displayed by the state, on the other hand, is cause for major concern--not to mention the fact that their actions may have exposed OK to a fairly major lawsuit.

 

[Gr8hope]

I hope it hurt a lot......and I think they should show it as a paid ad on youtube......

Yes, great deterrent.
I have always believed justice would be better served if murderers died in the exact same way their victims did. Make sure to publicize that too.

 

[Alasippi]

There are those of us who, based on basic libertarian principles, don't think the State should have the right to execute people.

And that doesn't even begin to discuss my struggle with it as a Christian...

I agree Audio--Let he who is without sin...
Plus, to me, it's a much worse punishment to take away someone's freedom for the rest of their life, than to give them the easy way out. If you're dead, you don't even have to feel guilty about the crime you committed.

 

[gmart74]

There are certain crimes, with such overwhelming evidence, that I would support torturing the guy in public. Not necessarily as punishment to him, but as a warning to anyone else who would dare to act in such a way.

 

[Bama1970]

I wish I was in control of carrying out executions. I'd make them suffer for WEEKS! They would BEG for death!!!

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Really hard how it's possible that people can feel much sympathy for this guy. The guillotine was conceived as being "humane" over hanging. Then, it was shown that the head is conscious for several minutes, until oxygen gives out and that practice was abandoned almost every where. With hanging (frequently also botched), rather than the hangman's knot breaking the neck as designed (why did they teach me how to tie that in Boy Scouts?), the executee slowly strangled, usually emptying whatever was inside him in the process. Of course, that was good theater and spectator sport...

 

[Crimson1967]

I am opposed to the death penalty for several reasons. Mainly, that innocent people are sometimes convicted. I'm not saying it happens a lot, but it does and I'm sure there have been innocents executed. It scares me that it could happen to me.

Also, I don't think it is a deterrent. Is someone going to hold off killing if they are going to be executed rather than life in prison.

I also think it is unfairly applied. Why for some killers and not others? If you have a good lawyer, you have a better chance of getting off than someone with an inept public defender. (See Simpson, Orenthal James).

Like CA, I also have issues with the state killing someone.

That being said, I'm not shedding any tears for this guy.

On hanging.....I saw a video of Saddam Hussein's hanging. They showed a picture post mortem and it looks like they did it right based on how his neck looked.

 

[PacadermaTideUs]

On hanging.....I saw a video of Saddam Hussein's hanging. They showed a picture post mortem and it looks like they did it right based on how his neck looked.

They actually didn't do it correctly. There are adjustments to the height of the fall that are supposed to be made according to the weight of the executed. Ideally, the neck should break without ripping the head clean off. In the case of Saddam, his drop was too far for his weight, and his head was nearly removed.

 

[snake plissken]

There are those of us who, based on basic libertarian principles, don't think the State should have the right to execute people.

And that doesn't even begin to discuss my struggle with it as a Christian...

We're not talking about people, we are talking about animals. Anyone who rapes, tortures, shoots and buries alive anyone, much less a teenage girl, does not have a humane bone in their body.

What we need to do to these animals is crucify them like in the movie Spartacus. Let them hang for days and suffer til their last breath.

Sick POSs make me so damn furious and the liberals who want to coddle them. No reason for anyone like this to have any kind of support or sympathy.

 

[mittman]

There are those of us who, based on basic libertarian principles, don't think the State should have the right to execute people.

And that doesn't even begin to discuss my struggle with it as a Christian...

I'm with you here.

My personal solution is to dump them somewhere with all of the others who commit heinous crimes. Let them kill each other.

That said, I'm not getting all up in arms about this one.

Edit: I seriously laughed out loud at the irony of who posted right before me

 

[2003TIDE]

I am opposed to the death penalty for several reasons. Mainly, that innocent people are sometimes convicted. I'm not saying it happens a lot, but it does and I'm sure there have been innocents executed. It scares me that it could happen to me.

4.1% according to these guys. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/28/death-penalty-study-4-percent-defendants-innocent

 

[92tide]

We're not talking about people, we are talking about animals. Anyone who rapes, tortures, shoots and buries alive anyone, much less a teenage girl, does not have a humane bone in their body.

What we need to do to these animals is crucify them like in the movie Spartacus. Let them hang for days and suffer til their last breath.

Sick POSs make me so damn furious and the liberals who want to coddle them. No reason for anyone like this to have any kind of support or sympathy.

i find it hilarious that thinking that someone should be executed quickly rather than slowly would be considered "coddling"

 

[bamacon]

So the state will probably be sued for this "botched" death (how is it botched whenever the dude is dead?) because he suffered. What about the girl he shot and watched as she was buried alive? I'm sure she didn't suffer any.

Am"damn"en sister

 

[Bamaro]

We're not talking about people, we are talking about animals. Anyone who rapes, tortures, shoots and buries alive anyone, much less a teenage girl, does not have a humane bone in their body.

What we need to do to these animals is crucify them like in the movie Spartacus. Let them hang for days and suffer til their last breath.

Sick POSs make me so damn furious and the liberals who want to coddle them. No reason for anyone like this to have any kind of support or sympathy.

I guess that I missed that part.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

There are those of us who, based on basic libertarian principles, don't think the State should have the right to execute people.

And that doesn't even begin to discuss my struggle with it as a Christian...

Eh, I disagree with you to a point. You can hide behind your libertarian principles, of which most I share, and you can hide behind your Christian faith, which I once shared, but in the end, the cost of housing animals is high, they have more "rights" than you and I and the sooner, they are removed permanently and totally from this world, it's a better place. I'm sorry, but if you murder or rape some one or sexually abuse a child, light them up.

 

[crimsonaudio]

they have more "rights" than you and I

I'd love to see this fleshed out a bit - care to help me out?

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

I am opposed to the death penalty for several reasons. Mainly, that innocent people are sometimes convicted. I'm not saying it happens a lot, but it does and I'm sure there have been innocents executed. It scares me that it could happen to me.

Also, I don't think it is a deterrent. Is someone going to hold off killing if they are going to be executed rather than life in prison.

I also think it is unfairly applied. Why for some killers and not others? If you have a good lawyer, you have a better chance of getting off than someone with an inept public defender. (See Simpson, Orenthal James).

Like CA, I also have issues with the state killing someone.

That being said, I'm not shedding any tears for this guy.

On hanging.....I saw a video of Saddam Hussein's hanging. They showed a picture post mortem and it looks like they did it right based on how his neck looked.

Agreed that it's unfairly applied. If you have money, you tend to get a less severe sentence. However, I think, if used properly, it could be a deterrent. If DNA proves conclusively that you murdered some one or sexually abused a child, I say you get strapped in that night. Rape is a little more subjective as we've seen in many cases so maybe I need to step back a little bit from the rape = death stance. Though, if someone raped my wife or another family member, they probably wouldn't make it in this world very long.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

I'd love to see this fleshed out a bit - care to help me out?

Prisoners are required three meals a day. They can't be forced to do excessive work. They can't live in overcrowded conditions. If you are on the outside, kids go hungry because they may only get one meal at school. Some of us work 2-3 jobs, 70-80 hours a week to provide for our families and pay for these scumbags. Some families live stacked up on top of each other because of income or other issues. Is that getting fleshy enough for you?

 

[crimsonaudio]

Prisoners are required three meals a day. They can't be forced to do excessive work. They can't live in overcrowded conditions. If you are on the outside, kids go hungry because they may only get one meal at school. Some of us work 2-3 jobs, 70-80 hours a week to provide for our families and pay for these scumbags. Some families live stacked up on top of each other because of income or other issues. Is that getting fleshy enough for you?

Not really. I mean, I could argue you can quit your jobs, show no income, and get plenty in government assistance to eat three meals a day. You have the CHOICE to work, to provide a better life for your family, etc.

I know you're no fan of life sentences instead of execution (when deemed appropriate), but that's a mighty strong twisting of facts to use those examples as 'having more rights', imo.