Cop in MO kills unarmed black teen

[Tide1986]

I disagree that you keep on shooting until empty. Hands are raised and he's on the ground, no need to fire anymore.

To be fair, he did say "you shoot the target until it is moving no more" assuming you are shooting to kill.

 

[JBama_in_PCOLA]

To be fair, he did say "you shoot the target until it is moving no more" assuming you are shooting to kill.

True, but, yes there is a but, this isn't war nor was it a threat on his life. This is coming from the evidence shown in my opinion. There could be more, but I am going off what we have right now.

 

[PacadermaTideUs]

To be fair, he did say "you shoot the target until it is moving no more" assuming you are shooting to kill.

He actually didn't assume anything. He actually said, "When...you are shooting to kill". The hypothetical being that the subject is charging, not hands up and surrendering.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

This is actually the first I've heard of the "shot in the back" thing. I disagree that you keep on shooting until empty. Hands are raised and he's on the ground, no need to fire anymore.

I do agree with you on the looters, in a way.

This part is the part I'm questioning. Was the guy on the ground and hands raised then the cop started unloading on him?

 

[stlimprov]

I've avoided mainstream news for most of this, and just made the awful mistake of checking, just to see what it looked like.

Apparently talk radio callers are now reputable news sources.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

And that's just the most preposterous thing I found. I'm sure Fox, et. al are all keeping up the ante of non-substansive bickering.

Ah, heck...I check, and the Fox headline includes this "...purportedly has a witness possibly corroborating the officer's account..." (italics mine). Throw just a few more definitely maybes in there and you've got a cake.

God help us all. Pick your direction, but you're going to be bombarded with trash one way or another.

 

[JBama_in_PCOLA]

This part is the part I'm questioning. Was the guy on the ground and hands raised then the cop started unloading on him?

I'm trying to figure that out too. I'm still trying to make sense of all this. Once I get a question answered, I have about 3 more after that. I really don't get this.


Also, although it had nothing to do with the shooting, why is he going to the store to rob it in broad daylight when people see him. He was suppose to be going to college and supposedly a really good guy/child.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

I'm trying to figure that out too. I'm still trying to make sense of all this. Once I get a question answered, I have about 3 more after that. I really don't get this.


Also, although it had nothing to do with the shooting, why is he going to the store to rob it in broad daylight when people see him. He was suppose to be going to college and supposedly a really good guy/child.

I think that's where some have speculated gang initiation. He was there with a 22 year old male as well. Maybe he was "supervising" the initiation. Again, another question, like you, that I have, that seems to open Pandora's box. I honestly don't think we'll ever get the whole truth in any of this and my gut tells me the cop will be exonerated, rightly or wrongly.

 

[stlimprov]

Also, although it had nothing to do with the shooting, why is he going to the store to rob it in broad daylight when people see him. He was suppose to be going to college and supposedly a really good guy/child.

It's really neither here nor there, and not to knock it, but the college in question actually seems to call itself an "...Educational Center, Inc."

http://www.vatterott.edu/

Maybe he should have just hopped in the car and gone looking for a girl instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49TeSoo4Sx8

 

[TrampLineman]

This is actually the first I've heard of the "shot in the back" thing. I disagree that you keep on shooting until empty. Hands are raised and he's on the ground, no need to fire anymore.

I do agree with you on the looters, in a way.

There was some on t.v. claiming he was shot in the back. Can't remember if it came from one of the witnesses or if it was just rumor.

As for the shots I'm not talking about someone that is giving up. If you shoot to kill you shoot until the problem is down. If not, you risk being shot yourself and being killed. If his hands were truly in the air and he was kneeling then I agree this was a execution. But if the kid was a threat the cop is just not going to shoot once or twice and see if he gets on his knees, the cop will shoot until the threat is not a threat anymore. People have been shot before and adrenaline has caused them to continue to move at the other person and/or still get shots off themselves. That's why if you shoot to kill you shoot until said person goes down. There is no in between. If the cop considered him enough of a threat he needed to shoot you can't expect him to stop after he fired a few rounds, even if the kid was trying to hit his knees the cop would continue shooting until the threat is neutralized. I'm not saying the cop was right or wrong as I have no idea what happened. I'm just explaining the 6-8 shots that were reported and the 6 confirmed hits.

When you are in the heat of the moment and shooting at what you perceive is a threat you don't take chances is all I'm saying. You pump as many shots as you can at the target until it ceases to move. If someone broke into my window tonight and I see the target, I wont stop shooting until the target is down and not moving. Chances are I'm shooting 2-3 times before I even recognize if the target is hit or not and if I need to continue firing.

 

[JBama_in_PCOLA]

There was some on t.v. claiming he was shot in the back. Can't remember if it came from one of the witnesses or if it was just rumor.

As for the shots I'm not talking about someone that is giving up. If you shoot to kill you shoot until the problem is down. If not, you risk being shot yourself and being killed. If his hands were truly in the air and he was kneeling then I agree this was a execution. But if the kid was a threat the cop is just not going to shoot once or twice and see if he gets on his knees, the cop will shoot until the threat is not a threat anymore. People have been shot before and adrenaline has caused them to continue to move at the other person and/or still get shots off themselves. That's why if you shoot to kill you shoot until said person goes down. There is no in between. If the cop considered him enough of a threat he needed to shoot you can't expect him to stop after he fired a few rounds, even if the kid was trying to hit his knees the cop would continue shooting until the threat is neutralized. I'm not saying the cop was right or wrong as I have no idea what happened. I'm just explaining the 6-8 shots that were reported and the 6 confirmed hits.

When you are in the heat of the moment and shooting at what you perceive is a threat you don't take chances is all I'm saying. You pump as many shots as you can at the target until it ceases to move. If someone broke into my window tonight and I see the target, I wont stop shooting until the target is down and not moving. Chances are I'm shooting 2-3 times before I even recognize if the target is hit or not and if I need to continue firing.

I agree with you on if he was a threat, let him have it. Signs right now point to something different. We will see how it unfolds.

I looked at the confirmed hits though. For some reason I counted seven hits, though it was stated 6. It was it is though.

 

[JBama_in_PCOLA]

It's really neither here nor there, and not to knock it, but the college in question actually seems to call itself an "...Educational Center, Inc."

http://www.vatterott.edu/

Maybe he should have just hopped in the car and gone looking for a girl instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49TeSoo4Sx8

You didn't have to put up Robin man. Made me sad all over again. But yes, he should have gone looking for some. That's what I was doing his age, and my age as well. I don't have to look far because I am married. Seriously though, the more I learn about this young man, the more I'm confused.

 

[JBama_in_PCOLA]

I think that's where some have speculated gang initiation. He was there with a 22 year old male as well. Maybe he was "supervising" the initiation. Again, another question, like you, that I have, that seems to open Pandora's box. I honestly don't think we'll ever get the whole truth in any of this and my gut tells me the cop will be exonerated, rightly or wrongly.

Gang initiation is a nice spin and one that could be true. I too feel the cop will be exonerated. I'm scared of what comes next.

 

[bamachile]

...Seriously though, the more I learn about this young man, the more I'm confused.

I don't doubt that MB was a shy, quiet young man not very long ago. These things can turn so quickly.

I helped raise one young man who turned out very different than we had hoped, and I've witnessed several others. I suppose we all have. I don't know the answers, Jay. I have learned not to talk too boldly about what a child you raised would do, though. They can sure prove you wrong.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Some valid points here: http://time.com/3132635/ferguson-coming-race-war-class-warfare/

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Staci steered me towards this. Everyone needs to read and listen, because it greatly supports the officer's version, and this guy will end up on the witness stand...

LINK

 

[crimsonaudio]

Staci steered me towards this. Everyone needs to read and listen, because it greatly supports the officer's version, and this guy will end up on the witness stand...

LINK

Interestinger.

 

[Tide1986]

Some valid points here: http://time.com/3132635/ferguson-coming-race-war-class-warfare/

I read this earlier today. Overall, it's not well-conceived in my opinion.

 

[Relayer]

I read this earlier today. Overall, it's not well-conceived in my opinion.

Agree completely. Disjointed and convoluted. Did touch on many of the required liberal talking points, though.

Also, convicted the Ferguson cop, and George Zimmerman after the fact.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Staci steered me towards this. Everyone needs to read and listen, because it greatly supports the officer's version, and this guy will end up on the witness stand...

LINK

I saw this last night but I'm apprehensive about a lot of what I read on the net since so many of the sources are so biased in one direction or the other. Interesting, though.

 

[JBama_in_PCOLA]

I don't doubt that MB was a shy, quiet young man not very long ago. These things can turn so quickly.

I helped raise one young man who turned out very different than we had hoped, and I've witnessed several others. I suppose we all have. I don't know the answers, Jay. I have learned not to talk too boldly about what a child you raised would do, though. They can sure prove you wrong.

I'm glad I've learned that at an early age. Kids nowadays can turn on your and what you taught them in the blink of an eye. Sad thing man. What can you do though?

Thing is, to me anyway, there is no logic in the 'hood. When you are raised by a woman logic mostly goes out the door. That isn't to say woman can't raise children on there own, but in the 'hood finding logic is like finding a million dollars laying around. Tell me when that has happened.