Les Miles fired according to Sunday reports

[selmaborntidefan]

I awoke this morning and hope that the story that they're even considering Art Briles is not true.

What the hell kind of message do you send by saying, "Ok, this dude got fired for enabling a culture of rape and sexual assault in MAY but NOW in the same calendar year he gets a new and better job with more money"?

Do I think Briles was something of a scapegoat? Yes.

But I don't think he's completely innocent, either. How in the hell can you possibly send a daughter to LSU with this guy's history? I realize even I've put the name there but I just cannot bring myself to believe this at this point.

 

[Tider n LA]

LSU has almost always won. Certainly not at the level of the past 15 years. I guess some just remember the Halman and last Dinardo year(s). According to CFDW or AP or UPI here LSU's decade ranking since the SEC was formed:
30s 10
40s 20
50s 24 and NC
60s 7
70s 17
80s 18
90s 35
00s 6
10s 9

They have 11 SECC and 3 NC, UT 13 and 2. Bama leads the SEC with at least 1 NC in every decade of the SECs existence 9, LSU is second with 7. Major bowls: LSU 11-11-1 is second to Bama's 23-16-1 in appearances and wins, UGA 9-7, UT 8-11. (AU is about 8th in appearances and wins 4-5-1.) IMO, appearances is almost as important as wins, usually indicating that you had a very good reg season. They've finished ranked 39 times, in the top 10 23 times, and in the top two 5 times. The 90s were their only bad decade, even then #35.

I would argue that LSU has surpassed UT to become the second all time program in the SEC. As would CFDW.

LSU is almost always underrated when considering historic SEC programs. That's not even counting their charisma: WWL carrying almost the only night games from the 30s-70s or 80s nationwide; all of those Cajun names in the past; Death Valley; their quirky nature - that's why Miles was such a perfect fit; a kind of voodoo feel at times. Come on Rece. Even before Saban, LSU was 3rd or 4th in the SEC and a national caliber program.

Bama did not win a NC in the decades of 50s and 80s and the one in '41 is very debatable but Bama still has quite a few.

 

[JCswoosher2]

Les Miles to USC
Jimbo Fisher to LSU
Lane Kiffin to Oregon and takes Blake Barnett with him

 

[bamacon]

Herman is making big coin now. Houston goes to the Big 12 and he stays. Huge recruiting base without the week to week meat grinder of a schedule.


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[bamacon]

Petrino to BR ? They want offense.

Petrino is toxic everywhere. His AD was the ONLY one who would give him a job and Bobbyrino owes him for life. He'll retire a Cardinal.


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[4Q Basket Case]

Petrino is toxic everywhere. His AD was the ONLY one who would give him a job and Bobbyrino owes him for life. He'll retire a Cardinal.


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If we were talking about any normal human being, I'd agree. But Bobby Petrino is loyal to himself alone. Not his family, not to other coaches who gave him a break (Tuberville), certainly not his wife, and not to any employer he's ever had.

He's in play for anybody willing to write a check.

 

[bamacon]

Briles has a lot of legal cloudiness around him over Title IX issues. Nobody is going to allow that hire until all the facts around the Baylor case are brought to light. I wouldn't bet on him getting an opportunity until his name is cleared and that likely will not happen in this hiring cycle. Title IX is one of those things that schools just can't afford to play fast and loose with for the sake of wins in football. Briles is blackballed until there is a public knowledge about his involvement in all that Baylor sexual assault mess.

I'm in this camp. I just don't see how any university would even consider Briles. It would bring the wrath of media scorn the world over. I'm sure Finebaum is praying it will happen.


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[TideEngineer08]

Well, I was mildly surprised when I heard this news yesterday afternoon. But this is something that should have happened last year.

I understand all the stuff about how Miles has been one of LSU's most successful coaches. And he has been. But the problem is that he has not continued the development of the program since 2011. It's been a steady decline in system strategy as well as player development. Fortunately for Miles's replacement, recruiting hasn't really suffered (except the QB position). LSU is one of the best programs in the country and ought to be able to compete for titles every year and they have simply not done that since that 2011 season.

I like Miles; I really do. He's great for the game. But he isn't really great for LSU anymore and they had to make a move. My only complaint is that they should have stuck to their guns last year. I hope WMack is right and he steps in for Lee Corso. He'd be fantastic in that role, IMO.

I don't know who LSU will get, but whoever it is will have a great opportunity. For my sake, I hope they strike out. But I don't think they will. Unless money is a problem, considered the financial mess the state has been in lately. I would figure boosters will cover most of this though.

 

[GrayTide]

Les Miles to USC
Jimbo Fisher to LSU
Lane Kiffin to Oregon and takes Blake Barnett with him

The only point I agree with you on is that Barnett will follow Kiffin if he leaves.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Like I said in a earlier post HERMAN is their #1 man, I don't care if any of you believe me or not. Kiffin is on that list, briles is on that list & wants the job !!!!, I will find out more late tommorrw.

This is correct. Herman IS their #1 guy. They are going to make a big push for him and throw the bank at him.

 

[RTR91]

Exactly, the whole idea that Herman is firmly entrenched at Houston is puzzling to me. LSU is a destination job, Houston isn't.

Glad I read the entire thread before replying because this post pretty much answers your question.

If Houston is close to a Big XII deal then everyone should probably cross of Herman's name because that puts him into a Bobby Petrino situation in that he can build a power in an easier power 5 conference while making bank doing it.

During the Houston-OU game, ESPN showed the average distance from the players' hometown on the Houston roster. They did 0 miles for those from Houston. The average was less than 5 miles IIRC.

If Houston is able to stay in the Big 12, Herman shouldn't leave. He'll be set.

I wonder why they didn't make Miles replace the OC first. Maybe he refused or they expected him to.

They might have asked, but they also probably heard all of the "The offense is changing and going to be different from the previous years" talk from Les all summer and realized that was a bunch of crap after watching the first four games.

Briles has a lot of legal cloudiness around him over Title IX issues. Nobody is going to allow that hire until all the facts around the Baylor case are brought to light. I wouldn't bet on him getting an opportunity until his name is cleared and that likely will not happen in this hiring cycle. Title IX is one of those things that schools just can't afford to play fast and loose with for the sake of wins in football. Briles is blackballed until there is a public knowledge about his involvement in all that Baylor sexual assault mess.

We might actually get some of that information soon. Saw something last week saying someone filed for more of the Pepper Hamilton report to be released.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

LSU has almost always won. Certainly not at the level of the past 15 years. I guess some just remember the Halman and last Dinardo year(s). According to CFDW or AP or UPI here LSU's decade ranking since the SEC was formed:
30s 10
40s 20
50s 24 and NC
60s 7
70s 17
80s 18
90s 35
00s 6
10s 9

They have 11 SECC and 3 NC, UT 13 and 2. Bama leads the SEC with at least 1 NC in every decade of the SECs existence 9, LSU is second with 7. Major bowls: LSU 11-11-1 is second to Bama's 23-16-1 in appearances and wins, UGA 9-7, UT 8-11. (AU is about 8th in appearances and wins 4-5-1.) IMO, appearances is almost as important as wins, usually indicating that you had a very good reg season. They've finished ranked 39 times, in the top 10 23 times, and in the top two 5 times. The 90s were their only bad decade, even then #35.

I would argue that LSU has surpassed UT to become the second all time program in the SEC. As would CFDW.

LSU is almost always underrated when considering historic SEC programs. That's not even counting their charisma: WWL carrying almost the only night games from the 30s-70s or 80s nationwide; all of those Cajun names in the past; Death Valley; their quirky nature - that's why Miles was such a perfect fit; a kind of voodoo feel at times. Come on Rece. Even before Saban, LSU was 3rd or 4th in the SEC and a national caliber program.

From the 30's to the 90's that was "acceptable". It isn't anymore. Nick gave them a taste of elite success and that's what they want and that's what they are expecting. I wish I could link in the local Louisiana sports talk radio shows I listened to this morning coming into work. These people are delusional. Again, I think Rece was drawing a comparison between current expectations and history. He wasn't saying they didn't have a tradition of winning. But there's winning (having a winning record) and then there's elite. They are expecting elite and history simply doesn't support that. Should be interesting to watch this play out.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Touching article about Miles here. I agree that he had to go, but he's always seemed like a guy that does things the right way.

http://winningcureseverything.blogspot.com/2016/09/a-note-for-coach-miles.html

 

[crimsonaudio]

If Houston is able to stay in the Big 12, Herman shouldn't leave. He'll be set.

I say if he really is a competitor, he'll go to LSU. Staying at Houston because it's the 'easy' way to okay for championships isn't what a real competitor would do.

Some guys want to be the guy who builds a program like Houston and makes them into a power, but the elite jobs are called elite for a reason, and there's no question LSU is an elite gig. I guess we're about to find out how Herman is wired - join the b12 (which got left out of the first playoff) or jump in the deep end of the pool...

 

[B1GTide]

Touching article about Miles here. I agree that he had to go, but he's always seemed like a guy that does things the right way.

http://winningcureseverything.blogspot.com/2016/09/a-note-for-coach-miles.html

I agree, except for letting the players decide punishments to duck the responsibility associated with playing guys who should have been suspended.

 

[B1GTide]

I say if he really is a competitor, he'll go to LSU. Staying at Houston because it's the 'easy' way to okay for championships isn't what a real competitor would do.

What if his end goal is the NFL? He can get to the NFL far easier by staying at Houston than taking a chance at LSU.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I say if he really is a competitor, he'll go to LSU. Staying at Houston because it's the 'easy' way to okay for championships isn't what a real competitor would do.

Some guys want to be the guy who builds a program like Houston and makes them into a power, but the elite jobs are called elite for a reason, and there's no question LSU is an elite gig. I guess we're about to find out how Herman is wired - join the b12 (which got left out of the first playoff) or jump in the deep end of the pool...

One spin I heard this morning was Herman has "roots"/"ties" out west and somehow connected to USCw. Water cooler talk is he could be keeping his eye on the USCw job because Helton is a dead man walking right now.

 

[NationalTitles18]

I think LSU has outkicked their coverage and will have to settle. That will make me laugh.

 

[TideEngineer08]

I think the chance that Houston goes to the Big 12 is slim. I think the chances of the Big 12 even expanding are slim. I think the chance the Big 12 is a conference past the next tv rights deal is slimmer than either.

Herman isn't staying at Houston. Even if they do get a Big 12 invite, their revenue isn't going to boost significantly for several years, and they aren't going to be able to compete with LSU/USC/Notre Dame/Texas money. They don't have the fan support, booster support, facilities, stadium, whatever that LSU or similar programs have.

I used to buy the idea that he might stay, but I no longer do. If Herman is LSU's target, they have to hope USC turns their season around (he's from southern California), and that Texas doesn't implode. I doubt it gets bad enough for Notre Dame to fire Kelly this year but you never know.

 

[TIDEnGA]

I haven't read this entire thread, but I'm surprised that Coach Saban's name hasn't popped up. You know someone at LSU has brought it up. He was probably greeted with .