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Rating Jalen Hurts Half Way Thru the Regular Season

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tusks_n_raider said:
Well Lol....that's true that was his most impressive stats game running. But his potential as said by others seemed to indicate he was Manziel level dangerous as a runner. A guy who could go 75-100+ yards on the ground any given game and multiple times.
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I got ya. lol Just giving you a hard time. I don't think he needs to be that type of player though. He moves the chains effectively with what they are giving him to do.


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tusks_n_raider said:
Well Lol....that's true that was his most impressive stats game running. But his potential as said by others seemed to indicate he was Manziel level dangerous as a runner. A guy who could go 75-100+ yards on the ground any given game and multiple times.
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I was at the Bama/A&M game when Johnny Football became Johnny Football. I fellow behind me said it best after he had scrambled for a significant gain after we "almost" had him.

The 70 something year old guy said, "That boy's harder to catch than a greased weasel." I'll never forget that!!!
 
tusks_n_raider said:
RUNNING THREAT: 6 - This has been one of my more disappointing areas because he has been bolstered up at this dual threat nightmare. But he runs really tentative it seems and many times barely makes it back to the LOS or only picks up 1-3 yards. I'm still waiting for that WOW run. But some of this may also be his deceptive running style. He does indeed glide like a Vince Young or Matt Jones.
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He'll get better here too with improved footwork in the pocket. He's not a burner, but he's fast. He's not a darter or dodger, but rather smooth as silk when he runs.

Best thing about his running is it's powerful. Even though it doesn't look like he's that fast (he is), he is also running with power.
 
BamaMoon said:
He'll get better here too with improved footwork in the pocket. He's not a burner, but he's fast. He's not a darter or dodger, but rather smooth as silk when he runs.

Best thing about his running is it's powerful. Even though it doesn't look like he's that fast (he is), he is also running with power.
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That's why I never got the comparison some would make to Blake. Not even close to the same style or level of elusiveness but Jalen has a much higher ceiling as a pure passer once he sees the field and learns to trust his receivers to be open after he throws.


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tusks_n_raider said:
I'll Play:

1. COOLNESS/POISE: 10 - He is completely unflappable. Fumbles his 1st snap. No problem. Has a fumble lost for a TD to go down BIG to Ole Miss. Didn't even blink. Has CNS CHEW his posterior OUT. Goes 10 for his next 12 passing for 170+ yards and 2 TD's. He is Tom Brady/Joe Montana levels of ice watery veins.

2. LEADERSHIP: 9 - He has the total respect of his teammates. They play harder for him and gravitate to him on the sidelines. He is in Total command of the team on the field. The next step to reach a 10 here is to maybe scold a player for not doing his job.....or even consoling a teammate for a mistake that was their fault but Jalen doesn't want them discouraged.

3. RUNNING THREAT: 6 - This has been one of my more disappointing areas because he has been bolstered up at this dual threat nightmare. But he runs really tentative it seems and many times barely makes it back to the LOS or only picks up 1-3 yards. I'm still waiting for that WOW run. But some of this may also be his deceptive running style. He does indeed glide like a Vince Young or Matt Jones.

4. PASSING: 7 - I'm still waiting for this part to click too. He seems to make some of his better throws rolling out and extending plays or even when he just rares back and throws a rope. But his touch and accuracy needs work on all routes but especially the deep ball. He either underthrows badly or is just way off where you aren't quite sure who he was throwing too. But to his credit he throws it where the other team can't get it either and is smart enough to throw the ball into the stands and live another play. He will get there but he needs work. He does have good chemistry with Stewart though so we need to keep him healthy.

5. INTANGIBLES/BALL PROTECTION: 10 - He definitely has the IT factor no doubt about it. He possesses everything that can't be taught. His ball protection has been great too. I would say only his 1st INT was a bad decision. The 2nd one he was hit as he threw it and the 1st fumble was hard to tell if it was his fault or not and the 2nd fumble shouldn't even have counted because it was targeting. So imho that's only one turnover solely on him in 6 games as a TF.....that gets a 10 from me.

He's the Future and our 3 year starter at least. I think he has all the potential in the world to lead us to 1-2 more NC's and he might get himself a Heisman along the way. I'm loving everything I've seen from Jalen as a complete package that will only get better. It's just mindblowing that he's a TF. He plays with the maturity of a 5th year SR.
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Check out 0:45 in the video http://www.hudl.com/video/3/2166961/5721d476e984d413d41d7166
 
Let's get this straight right off the bat. I love Jalen to death. He's awesome as a freshman.
He's not even close to Namath or Stabler, and yes, that's even if they were playing today.
They both could run a little better and they could both throw......like Hall of Fame NFL Quarterbacks....
 
Alasippi said:
Let's get this straight right off the bat. I love Jalen to death. He's awesome as a freshman.
He's not even close to Namath or Stabler, and yes, that's even if they were playing today.
They both could run a little better and they could both throw......like Hall of Fame NFL Quarterbacks....
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Really, he's a true freshman so it's hard to compare, at least right now.The Snake and Joe had it though.


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Imo, you should always grade Jalen no matter what year he is. If not, you will add clutter to observing his improvement from game to game and year to year and do him a disservice.

Our oline and rb's have surprised me. I think we have more production with the RB's running that Jalen in most instances. And with 3 to 4 NFL receivers I look for Jalen to start hitting in stride. That combination with Kiffin's ability to get the open receiver, we will get better.

Giving him a C as a TF is remarkable imo. I doubt I would have given any other starter that high of a grade when starting as a TF as Jalen. His improvement from game to game and year to year is promising to me. But you cannot assume anything other that what you see on the field and after a game. Not fair to the player.

I cannot imagine grading GMAC as a scrawny TF, it would have not been good imo.
 
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I'll say this - some of y'all are a tough crowd. JH isn't perfect, but I can't recall a player with more upside who played with more poise and made fewer mistakes (and not even as a FR, as I can't recall any FR that had the impact JH has had at Bama). I guess we're all nit-pickers, but considering he was playing HS football this time last year, I'm simply amazed that anyone isn't astonished at what he's done so far. Sure, he has some things to work on and he'll be more polished over time, but he's literally one of the best QBs in the SEC as a true freshman.

Sometimes I suspect some of you would find something to complain about if he were statistically perfect...

To put it simply, I've watched my share of football over the years and I'm blown away that a true freshman can walk in and win the job - at ALABAMA - then perform as well as he has. He's made so few mistakes it's incredible. I simply cannot imagine what 2017 and 2018 will bring us (I don't believe there's any way he won't be playing in the NFL in 2019)...

Jalen Hurts is the TRUTH.

RTR
 
crimsonaudio said:
I'll say this - some of y'all are a tough crowd. JH isn't perfect, but I can't recall a player with more upside who played with more poise and made fewer mistakes (and not even as a FR, as I can't recall any FR that had the impact JH has had at Bama). I guess we're all nit-pickers, but considering he was playing HS football this time last year, I'm simply amazed that anyone isn't astonished at what he's done so far. Sure, he has some things to work on and he'll be more polished over time, but he's literally one of the best QBs in the SEC as a true freshman.

Sometimes I suspect some of you would find something to complain about if he were statistically perfect...

To put it simply, I've watched my share of football over the years and I'm blown away that a true freshman can walk in and win the job - at ALABAMA - then perform as well as he has. He's made so few mistakes it's incredible. I simply cannot imagine what 2017 and 2018 will bring us (I don't believe there's any way he won't be playing in the NFL in 2019)...

Jalen Hurts is the TRUTH.

RTR
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the whole espn game crew this past saturday thought a lot of him.
 
crimsonaudio said:
I'll say this - some of y'all are a tough crowd. JH isn't perfect, but I can't recall a player with more upside who played with more poise and made fewer mistakes (and not even as a FR, as I can't recall any FR that had the impact JH has had at Bama). I guess we're all nit-pickers, but considering he was playing HS football this time last year, I'm simply amazed that anyone isn't astonished at what he's done so far. Sure, he has some things to work on and he'll be more polished over time, but he's literally one of the best QBs in the SEC as a true freshman.

Sometimes I suspect some of you would find something to complain about if he were statistically perfect...

To put it simply, I've watched my share of football over the years and I'm blown away that a true freshman can walk in and win the job - at ALABAMA - then perform as well as he has. He's made so few mistakes it's incredible. I simply cannot imagine what 2017 and 2018 will bring us (I don't believe there's any way he won't be playing in the NFL in 2019)...

Jalen Hurts is the TRUTH.

RTR
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I'm with you on that.


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crimsonaudio said:
I'll say this - some of y'all are a tough crowd. JH isn't perfect, but I can't recall a player with more upside who played with more poise and made fewer mistakes (and not even as a FR, as I can't recall any FR that had the impact JH has had at Bama). I guess we're all nit-pickers, but considering he was playing HS football this time last year, I'm simply amazed that anyone isn't astonished at what he's done so far. Sure, he has some things to work on and he'll be more polished over time, but he's literally one of the best QBs in the SEC as a true freshman.

Sometimes I suspect some of you would find something to complain about if he were statistically perfect...

To put it simply, I've watched my share of football over the years and I'm blown away that a true freshman can walk in and win the job - at ALABAMA - then perform as well as he has. He's made so few mistakes it's incredible. I simply cannot imagine what 2017 and 2018 will bring us (I don't believe there's any way he won't be playing in the NFL in 2019)...

Jalen Hurts is the TRUTH.

RTR
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I sure didn't start this thread with any intention of it becoming a bash thread. I had my doubts of his effectiveness at the beginning of the year...just because he was a TF...but I'm very, very excited to see his impact. Rating him to improve in a few areas doesn't mean I'm not a huge fan!!!
 
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tusks_n_raider said:
I'll Play:

1. COOLNESS/POISE: 10 - He is completely unflappable. Fumbles his 1st snap. No problem. Has a fumble lost for a TD to go down BIG to Ole Miss. Didn't even blink. Has CNS CHEW his posterior OUT. Goes 10 for his next 12 passing for 170+ yards and 2 TD's. He is Tom Brady/Joe Montana levels of ice watery veins.

2. LEADERSHIP: 9 - He has the total respect of his teammates. They play harder for him and gravitate to him on the sidelines. He is in Total command of the team on the field. The next step to reach a 10 here is to maybe scold a player for not doing his job.....or even consoling a teammate for a mistake that was their fault but Jalen doesn't want them discouraged.

3. RUNNING THREAT: 6 - This has been one of my more disappointing areas because he has been bolstered up at this dual threat nightmare. But he runs really tentative it seems and many times barely makes it back to the LOS or only picks up 1-3 yards. I'm still waiting for that WOW run. But some of this may also be his deceptive running style. He does indeed glide like a Vince Young or Matt Jones.

4. PASSING: 7 - I'm still waiting for this part to click too. He seems to make some of his better throws rolling out and extending plays or even when he just rares back and throws a rope. But his touch and accuracy needs work on all routes but especially the deep ball. He either underthrows badly or is just way off where you aren't quite sure who he was throwing too. But to his credit he throws it where the other team can't get it either and is smart enough to throw the ball into the stands and live another play. He will get there but he needs work. He does have good chemistry with Stewart though so we need to keep him healthy.

5. INTANGIBLES/BALL PROTECTION: 10 - He definitely has the IT factor no doubt about it. He possesses everything that can't be taught. His ball protection has been great too. I would say only his 1st INT was a bad decision. The 2nd one he was hit as he threw it and the 1st fumble was hard to tell if it was his fault or not and the 2nd fumble shouldn't even have counted because it was targeting. So imho that's only one turnover solely on him in 6 games as a TF.....that gets a 10 from me.

He's the Future and our 3 year starter at least. I think he has all the potential in the world to lead us to 1-2 more NC's and he might get himself a Heisman along the way. I'm loving everything I've seen from Jalen as a complete package that will only get better. It's just mindblowing that he's a TF. He plays with the maturity of a 5th year SR.
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Great analysis.

My only disagreements are that I would switch 3 Running to 7 and 4 passing to 5 or 6. He almost looks nonchalant but that's just his style. He doesn't have Blake's quickness but he seems to have good vision, judgment and speed. IMO, his passing is just avg, lacking in the areas that many have noted. Frankly, AJ had the same underthrow tendency well into his RS JR year - Amari, Bell, et al. saved his bacon often. There was not nearly the "concern" or criticism at that time.

I think his ability, poise, will and confidence is very calming and gives great confidence to this team. This coupled with great team talent makes it incredibly difficult to beat. Think about it: on the road, against the only team that has beaten you in the past 2+ years, with a spooky 2 year past, now down 21 at the end of the half on a tremendous hit then scoop and score; the true Fr QB then makes one of his best throws of the year for 22, runs himself for 22 to the 6, third play TD, sparking a 45-6 run against a good team on the road. Prevent D and onsides kick makes the game look closer than it was. That is some big time stuff. This team appears to be scary good, lead by what appears to be an amazing QB.
 
Sabanizer said:
Imo, you should always grade Jalen no matter what year he is. If not, you will add clutter to observing his improvement from game to game and year to year and do him a disservice.

Our oline and rb's have surprised me. I think we have more production with the RB's running that Jalen in most instances. And with 3 to 4 NFL receivers I look for Jalen to start hitting in stride. That combination with Kiffin's ability to get the open receiver, we will get better.

Giving him a C as a TF is remarkable imo. I doubt I would have given any other starter that high of a grade when starting as a TF as Jalen. His improvement from game to game and year to year is promising to me. But you cannot assume anything other that what you see on the field and after a game. Not fair to the player.

I cannot imagine grading GMAC as a scrawny TF, it would have not been good imo.
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"C". Amazing
 
JustNeedMe81 said:
That's just me and my opinion, but I feel like he already proved that with Ole Miss and Arkansas game.
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I was at the Ole Miss game, their stadium holds like 68K or something and there was a sizable Bama road contingency there. In it's loudest moment it won't come anywhere close to the ear bleeding thunder that will be coming down on him in Knoxville. These people are foaming at the mouth for a win over Bama.

Which is exactly why we must take their souls. I'm hoping for a coming of age performance by Hurts Saturday.
 
crimsonaudio said:
I'll say this - some of y'all are a tough crowd. JH isn't perfect, but I can't recall a player with more upside who played with more poise and made fewer mistakes (and not even as a FR, as I can't recall any FR that had the impact JH has had at Bama). I guess we're all nit-pickers, but considering he was playing HS football this time last year, I'm simply amazed that anyone isn't astonished at what he's done so far. Sure, he has some things to work on and he'll be more polished over time, but he's literally one of the best QBs in the SEC as a true freshman.

Sometimes I suspect some of you would find something to complain about if he were statistically perfect...

To put it simply, I've watched my share of football over the years and I'm blown away that a true freshman can walk in and win the job - at ALABAMA - then perform as well as he has. He's made so few mistakes it's incredible. I simply cannot imagine what 2017 and 2018 will bring us (I don't believe there's any way he won't be playing in the NFL in 2019)...

Jalen Hurts is the TRUTH.

RTR
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The worry is the mistake that's bound to come....hopefully not at the worst time.

The good news, is that this team, appears to be built to overcome mistakes. 3 TOs last week, several bad calls, injuries to some key people, win by 19 on the road....vs ranked team
 
Slightly different perspective. Who cares if he is a true freshman or a senior? He is your starting QB right now, so adding comments like "yeah, but he is a true freshman" is pointless. Why? Because he has to play like a senior for you guys to win a championship right now. So, forget that he is a true freshman. What would you think of his play, right now, if he were a one and done player - like Coker last year.

My thoughts, with that in mind - he is further along than Coker was at this time last season. He is just as competitive as Coker was. He is just as calm, and has the team's support. The only thing that Coker did better than Hurts at this point last year was lead receivers on intermediate routes over the middle. Hurts is still a little late on those passes. But Hurts more than makes up for that with his ability to convert 3rd downs. Coker really struggled with long passes at this point last year, but he figured it out. He needed to - without those passes, Clemson wins.

So, Hurts is playing like a veteran QB right now. He is probably good enough to win a championship right now at Alabama. For me, that is all that matters.
 
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