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Rating Jalen Hurts Half Way Thru the Regular Season

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gtgilbert said:
Trevor knight is going to be right there in the discussion, and potentially Eason, although that's maybe more of a stretch.

Even if you put Jalen above those two, out of 14 starting QBs if Jalen was the 5th best, that would be 71st percentile and be a C rating which is right in line with what he's saying.

If he's below Knight (in QBR he is), that's the 64th percentile and in the middle third of SEC QBs.

NONE of that should take anything away from what Jalen has done as a first year starter AND a true freshman. He's been rock solid and done just about everything he's been asked to do and has progressed every week well ahead of the other first year QBs we have had, regardless of age AND we know that since he's young he probably has more growth and higher ceiling than anyone else we've had in recent memory.
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That's not how it works though.

Say you're in class, and you have the 7th highest grade out of 14 people, that would put you at the "50th percentile". Which by your metrics is an "F". Well what if you had a 94, and that was only good enough for 7th...you still have an "A". Flawed logic...

Plus, you can't equate percentile placing with grading, as the 50th percentile is average....and grade of 50 (out of 100) is well below average typically.

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So I walk away from this thread for a day or so and come back and find the last 4-5 pages of this??? What happened??? What's all the talk about "B-" or "C" and such???My goodness, talk about a hijacking!!!

This thread was supposed to be about how far ahead JH really is and how his "weaknesses" have surpassed the reasonable persons expectations.

Can the OP request his own thread be shut down???
 
BamaMoon said:
So I walk away from this thread for a day or so and come back and find the last 4-5 pages of this??? What happened??? What's all the talk about "B-" or "C" and such???My goodness, talk about a hijacking!!!

This thread was supposed to be about how far ahead JH really is and how his "weaknesses" have surpassed the reasonable persons expectations.

Can the OP request his own thread be shut down???
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From thread starter:

"I'm definitely a believer in JH now. I know he'll only get better, which is exciting. But I'm wondering in what areas you all see him currently excelling and those in need of improvement on a scale of 1-10. Feel free to add other areas I didn't mention."

The 1-10 scale must have shifted to letter grades but it appears that you were asking for more than just stating how far ahead Hurts is.:)
 
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day-day said:
From thread starter:

"I'm definitely a believer in JH now. I know he'll only get better, which is exciting. But I'm wondering in what areas you all see him currently excelling and those in need of improvement on a scale of 1-10. Feel free to add other areas I didn't mention."

The 1-10 scale must have shifted to letter grades but it appears that you were asking for more than just stating how far ahead Hurts is.:)
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I rate this thread a C- or around 7out of 100 but in the lower 50 percent of all threads posted. Oh, and I rate Hurts as "pretty danged good". :wink:
 
day-day said:
From thread starter:

"I'm definitely a believer in JH now. I know he'll only get better, which is exciting. But I'm wondering in what areas you all see him currently excelling and those in need of improvement on a scale of 1-10. Feel free to add other areas I didn't mention."

The 1-10 scale must have shifted to letter grades but it appears that you were asking for more than just stating how far ahead Hurts is.:)
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I guess I made the assumption this could only be a positive thread, but you know what they say about that? :wink: On asking for "ratings" I was thinking that even the most talented people still have areas in which to improve. But it was weird how the topic got changed to a grading system.
 
TIDE-HSV said:
For him to be a "C" QB, I've noticed on opponents' boards that he seems to be a major concern for them, coaches and fans alike...
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Yes, he's the main qb that has led us to a 6-0 record all the while remaining the #1 team in the country. Hard to see how an average qb could do that.
 
B1GTide said:
He is a super-star. My only concern is on long pass plays, where I would rate him a 2. Until he gets that figured out, just do what you did against Arkansas.
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This takes the longest for any QB to develop, because it's not just your strength but having an almost subconscious calculator with regards to how fast your guys can run routes. Any guy with a strong arm can heave it - it takes quite a bit of experience to place a deep pass on a dime.
 
BamaMoon said:
Yes, he's the main qb that has led us to a 6-0 record all the while remaining the #1 team in the country. Hard to see how an average qb could do that.
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The defensive concerns over him are great. It's a few extra gray hairs for the DC to see someone who can genuinely hurt the defense if he's not confined. We've had to really worry about these guys, particularly before our defense was revamped. Now, we have our own dual threat and the other guys are worried...
 
BamaMoon said:
What's great about this video is that it shows how he was hitting most of his long balls in stride in HS.

What that suggests to me is that when he gets adjusted to the "speed of the game" at this level he'll drastically improve on the one area that is most obvious right now medium to long passes.
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On point! His WR in HS weren't anywhere close to AS, CR, etc and it will take to realize that this guys are faster/better and passes need to be adjusted.


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BamaMoon said:
What's great about this video is that it shows how he was hitting most of his long balls in stride in HS.

What that suggests to me is that when he gets adjusted to the "speed of the game" at this level he'll drastically improve on the one area that is most obvious right now medium to long passes.
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That was the point I was trying to make. Nothing to worry about. I suspect he will nail it toward end of the season.
 
Matt0424 said:
That's not how it works though.

Say you're in class, and you have the 7th highest grade out of 14 people, that would put you at the "50th percentile". Which by your metrics is an "F". Well what if you had a 94, and that was only good enough for 7th...you still have an "A". Flawed logic...

Plus, you can't equate percentile placing with grading, as the 50th percentile is average....and grade of 50 (out of 100) is well below average typically.

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True point for most classes. I had several professors that graded on a curve so it was all relative to where your scored grade was relative to the others in the class.

still, on the point of JH being in the middle part of the SEC QBs, it's relatively accurate due to where he is in total yards (6th), QBR (4th), YPA (5th), TDs (5th/6th) and comp% (3rd). He's certainly in the top half, but if you break it into thirds, he''s right on the cusp of middle third. Again, for a first year starter, and especially for a true freshman, that's really impressive and I'd expect him to continue to grow as he gains experience and gets more reps. He's also progressing forward for sure and could likely move higher in the rankings as the year goes on.
 
Hurts vs Dobbs, so far this year:
Yds per carry:4.77/3.95
Yds per pass attempt: 8.2/8.0
Sacks taken:5/14
TD to Int ratio: 9-2/14-8
Comp Pct: 63.8/58.3
Passer efficiency rating: 149.37/141.98
 
Regardless of how anyone would rank him, all you have to do is watch Jalen Hurts play to realize he's something special. I said, on this forum, there was no way he'd start as a true freshman. After A-Day I had to change my tune and say that was a possibility. You just have to acknowledge his talent if you really watch him play. And it isn't just about what he does, it's about what he can do.

Anyway, getting back to how people would rank him within the SEC, here's the part that matters the most to me. If I could replace him with any other quarterback in the SEC, not just for this season, but going forward, I can't see myself choosing anyone else.
 
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Cruiser said:
Hurts vs Dobbs, so far this year:
Yds per carry:4.77/3.95
Yds per pass attempt: 8.2/8.0
Sacks taken:5/14
TD to Int ratio: 9-2/14-8
Comp Pct: 63.8/58.3
Passer efficiency rating: 149.37/141.98
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Seems like you could say QB is a wash. I like the rest of our team against theirs.


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dvldog said:
Seems like you could say QB is a wash. I like the rest of our team against theirs.


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To call it a wash based on stats is being very generous to Dobbs. But taking everything into consideration, IMO, Hurts and Dobbs are similar in style and many intangibles.

As I said before, IMO, Hurts should be rated at least a B, maybe a B+ (I guess that's putting too fine a point on it 😊.). No way he is a C, which is average. As most agree, passing is the area where he is most in need of improvement, and he is in the top 29% in the SEC in the most telling QB stat - QBR. His running and it's threat are above average. He's elusive in the pocket and smart. His intangibles (poise, leadership, courage, will, preparation, unselfishness, competitiveness, self-assuredness without being cocky, etc.), which are the most important qualities in a QB, are through the roof. So, according to QBR, he's above average as a passer, his weekest point, and through the roof on most of the other qualities. How is that average ?
 
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