Question: The Electoral College

[92tide]

Words are important. Everyone who knows me knows to pay attention to what I say and what I do not say.

your point doesn't make a strong case or any case for a mandate either

 

[Tide1986]

your point doesn't make a strong case or any case for a mandate either

As you wish. Republicans have been voted into office across all levels of government in numbers larger than ever in recent memory. Interpret that as Dem ascendancy if you like.

 

[92tide]

As you wish. Republicans have been voted into office across all levels of government in numbers larger than ever in recent memory. Interpret that as Dem ascendancy if you like.

i don't interpret that as anything.

 

[Tide1986]

i don't interpret that as anything.

Of course I can't vouch for your ability to understand basic facts and data. I guess Walker County remains a liability for you.

 

[92tide]

Of course I can't vouch for your ability to understand basic facts and data. I guess Walker County remains a liability for you.

i have no idea what you are talking about, but i guess it is some attempt at an insult.

 

[CharminTide]

Thanks...good read.

It describes the structural point I was making earlier, only better researched and presented.

 

[Tide1986]

It describes the structural point I was making earlier, only better researched and presented.

It also describes why I think the EC is a valuable structure to maintain for centuries going forward.

 

[CharminTide]

It also describes why I think the EC is a valuable structure to maintain for centuries going forward.

Specifically, why is this?

 

[Tide1986]

Specifically, why is this?

It confrms all the reasons cited thus far.

 

[CharminTide]

Edit: wrong thread.

 

[rolltide_21]

i have no idea what you are talking about, but i guess it is some attempt at an insult.

How dare he insult those of us who live or have loved in WINSTON county. :biggrin:

(I think that's what he was going for, maybe?)

 

[Tide1986]

How dare he insult those of us who live or have loved in WINSTON county. :biggrin:

(I think that's what he was going for, maybe?)

Potato, potahto

 

[rolltide_21]

Potato, potahto

I hear ya. Until this year I had done more world wide travel (in Asia especially) than our own country. This summer I drove from Double Springs to Baltimore & then to Morgantown, WV in one day (18 hours of driving; to Johns Hopkins hospital to visit a church member; then to WV for a wedding). One thing I noticed is that quite a bit of Virginia, Maryland, and especially WV is not unlike Winston/Walker county. There's redneck everywhere [emoji3].

Sorry for the off topic post.....


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[TIDE-HSV]

Gaining 2 seats from states you are expected to win is not something to celebrate. Losing other senate contests you should have won just compounds the issue.

I find that irrelevant in view of the fact that the EC has once again delivered us a minority president, and, it appears, a multi-million vote minority president. You applaud it because your guy won, which, in my view, is short-sighted. It goes to the legitimacy of the executive branch. People from parliamentary countries find it incomprehensible...

 

[92tide]

How dare he insult those of us who live or have loved in WINSTON county. :biggrin:

(I think that's what he was going for, maybe?)

the only good things that came out of walker county were 5 and 195 north

 

[crimsonaudio]

People from parliamentary countries find it incomprehensible...

To eb fair, people from parliamentary countries find lots of things about the US incomprehensible. That's certainly no reason for me to lose any sleep over it.

I'll just point out again that if Trump had won the popular vote and HRC the EC, none of the Dems would be clamoring to eliminate or alter the EC.

 

[CharminTide]

I'll just point out again that if Trump had won the popular vote and HRC the EC, none of the Dems would be clamoring to eliminate or alter the EC.

When was the last time a Dem won the EC while losing the popular vote?

 

[81usaf92]

When was the last time a Dem won the EC while losing the popular vote?

Doesn't matter. CA's point is still true

 

[81usaf92]

I find that irrelevant in view of the fact that the EC has once again delivered us a minority president, and, it appears, a multi-million vote minority president. You applaud it because your guy won, which, in my view, is short-sighted. It goes to the legitimacy of the executive branch. People from parliamentary countries find it incomprehensible...

But people in parliamentary governments aren't designed like us. So they can find it incomprehensible all they want.

 

[CharminTide]

Doesn't matter. CA's point is still true

No, it does matter. In the history of this nation, a Democrat has never won the EC while losing the popular vote. In contrast, the system has benefited a Republican 5 of 6 times in our history. And that 6th example (Adams in 1824) benefited the direct political precursor to the Republican party.

Now, the demographics of this country are vastly different in the 2000's (Bush and Trump) from the 1800's (Adams, Hayes, Harrison), but it's simply dishonest to dismiss complaints about the EC as sour grapes. It is mathematical fact that the EC weighs the votes of certain Americans more than others. And the farther we move from the Founders' agrarian ideal, the more apparent that systemic bias becomes. Some people will support that bias because it benefits them, but it absolutely exists.