Game Thread: OFFICIAL POST-GAME THREAD - Bama vs. Barn...

All due respect. Jalen Hurts is not the QB on the roster to be used like AJ McCarren in a game manager role.

I'm not saying bench JH and play Tua because of one game, but Tua is the guy you play like AJM and then he would actually be better when the play broke down because, while he's not JH running the ball he's not bad at it either.

My critique with how JH is being used is coaches are asking him to do things he's not real good at every time he does a straight drop back in the pocket.

They're asking him to be a RPO, HUNH quarterback and a drop back pro style qb. Which is highly unfair to him. Being either one takes a lot of practice. It's like asking a pitcher to be a knuckle ball pitcher and a fastball power pitcher at the same time. It doesn't work. They need to pick what they want him to be and go with it. He's got the ability to be a good pocket passer. I've watched him in more than a few games this season go to his second and third reads. He CAN do it. But he's being asked to be all things. A jack of all trades but a master of none. With him being asked to do all things they are also misusing three stud RB's (with a N Harris you could say four) and some very good WR's. They are trying to gameplan an NFL style attack meshed with a RPO/HUNH style and it's causing problems. They need to pick one style and go with it.
 
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All due respect. Jalen Hurts is not the QB on the roster to be used like AJ McCarren in a game manager role.

I'm not saying bench JH and play Tua because of one game, but Tua is the guy you play like AJM and then he would actually be better when the play broke down because, while he's not JH running the ball he's not bad at it either.

My critique with how JH is being used is coaches are asking him to do things he's not real good at every time he does a straight drop back in the pocket.

Jalen can drop back and pass, to bad when he drops back to pass he has 3 defenders in his face chasing him. Kid has not had a good clean pocket in any game with a decent defense. They keep calling deep routes and yet given he has no time to wait, they fail. Tell me one time tonight he had 4-5 seconds standing still to make reads. he missed open guys, but on replays when they pointed it out, he was already running for his life. 3 times I saw it on replay, problem was open guy was on the opposite side of the field that jalen was forced to run to. Hard to see open guys behind you. They were open on left as he was flushed right, and vice versa. Look back at earlier games when we played lesser teams, he threw deep and accurate, as he had time to do so.
 
DH deserves more carries more than Jalen deserves carries.
This I agree with and gets to the aspects of the play calling I haven't liked all year.

I wanted Hurts to throw more, but run less. But! And this is a big one, I wanted Hurts to have more short stuff. Essentially, more balance. Instead we got Jalen run, Jalen deep pass, RB run. It could have easily been RB run, pass to RB, pass to TE, etc... It doesn't sit well with me that Hurts was allowed to run as much as he was, or that he was at the same time kind of forced into being this deep ball passer. I'd have much preferred the ball be out of Jalen's hands a lot faster throughout the year, let's just put it that way.

Jalen didn't have a good game, but it feels like some people are overlooking the fact that Hurts is a weapon and you use a shotgun differently than you use a sniper rifle. He might not be the best sniper rifle the team has, but why does he have to be?

But I'm just wondering, is it really play calling, or is it possible that the routes are called but Jalen just doesn't pull the trigger in time precisely because they are quick developing.
Did you hear the comments about the game winning play against MSU? Hurts was actually given yet another slow developing play, and it was Hurts who actually told Ridley to shorten his route to adjust to the blitz. That's proof positive that in some cases at least Daboll seems to be calling slow developing plays even when it's not a good idea.

If Hurts is given a really short pass, for instance dumping it off to the RB, he really doesn't have much of a chance to do anything else. A lot of short stuff, let's say jet sweep, isn't the type of thing that Hurts really going to be able to not pull the trigger on. Those plays develop fast. That's the point really, if Hurts has fast developing plays, it can combat the issue with the defense hurrying him. It's the slow developing plays that give him more leave way, in which case yes, Hurts judgement becomes a bigger factor.
 
He was the most underutilized player that I have ever seen - a man among boys as a true freshman. Somehow Yeldon was the starter ahead of him for 2 years. SMH.

And then CLK came along and told Saban than Henry was his best back.
 
Running back stats:
Kerryon Johnson averaged 3.5 yards per carry tonight. He got the ball 30 times.

Damien Harris entered the game averaging over 8 yards per carry. He averaged 8.5 tonight. He got the ball 6 times.

This ^^^. In spades. It’s like we don’t want to use the RB’s, which make sense if they sucked. But it makes no sense when you have the stable of quality backs we have.


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This is where Saban would give a platitude about sharing the load, and it is exacly that, a load (of manure). DH is being underutilized in the same way that Henry was underutilized at Alabama.

Unfortunately, there is only 1 ball on the field. When the QB rushes 17 times (like tonight; ridiculous) the RBs efficiency and usage goes waaaaaaay down and the team is pretty much one dimensional.


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So it's "fair" to call out the whole OL and blame them, but some of you who are saying that get all defensive if JH is objectively critiqued???

OL struggled at times against a real good Barn OL, but IMO JH had the time to thrown most of the time. On some of the replays he had guys open...sometimes wide open. It's a legitimate concern that his best and most accurate pass is a flair pass to a receiver.

JH has improved...but he's being asked to do things he's not comfortable doing and that's on the coaches.
 
Glad I stayed away a while. Wish I'd done it longer. Some silly things get said after a loss.

Alabama just got beat. Lots of reasons for that. Can't do a thing about injuries. Got whipped on both lines.

Every time Daboll seemed to be getting in a rhythm he changed drum sets and sticks and brought out new sheet music. It was mind boggling.

Here's hoping Bama can regroup and end on a good note.
 
Turning point tonight was the pitiful drive after the long kick off return. No points. We had a little momentum and a TD at that point could have changed the course of the game.
 
I agree we should have run the ball more(especially in the 1st half) but someone explain to me what you are supposed to do when you run on 1st and 2nd down and still need 5+ yards? Could our passing concepts be different? sure but does anyone know if Jalen can read different concepts? I'm not convinced. He also needs to learn to pull the trigger.

We ran the ball, but it was just through Hurts (17 rushes). We still have an identity of running the ball. But its just through our QB.


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He was the most underutilized player that I have ever seen - a man among boys as a true freshman. Somehow Yeldon was the starter ahead of him for 2 years. SMH.

I disagree. As a true freshman he was lost especially in pass protection. Hitting the hole with hesitation. He got better in his sophomore year especially down the stretch and I agree if we kept feeding him in the playoffs your Buckeyes don’t win the NC. It wasn’t until he figured out how to run the ball at the college level he became the every down back of 2015. He had to learn to run “behind his pads” and have good vision. Then, he became a beast in his third year.

ETA- As I think about it, it was the Sugar Bowl vs. OU when it kinda “came on” for him.


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So it's "fair" to call out the whole OL and blame them, but some of you who are saying that get all defensive if JH is objectively critiqued???

OL struggled at times against a real good Barn OL, but IMO JH had the time to thrown most of the time. On some of the replays he had guys open...sometimes wide open. It's a legitimate concern that his best and most accurate pass is a flair pass to a receiver.
I wouldn't say most of the time but the issue is that even when he has time he holds the ball way too long. I don't know if he just won't pull the trigger because he wants a wide open guy or if he just can't see past his 1st wr but there is clearly an issue.
 
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