QB Competition 2018

[TIDE-HSV]

Ha...I guess that explains a lot for me too

When I look at Jalen and I look at Hurts, one thing is clear - it's not about skin color at all...

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Sorry Rich, I'm not sure what I said that could be interpreted as bashing anyone. But here goes.

I want Alabama to win the NC, and I don't give a crap about who we have at QB when we do it as long as the trophy comes to Tuscaloosa.

I do not think it is prudent to replace a QB who is 27-2 as a starter with someone who has played limited amounts in mop-up duty even though that player has looked good in his limited duty thus far. I believe that such a change would be especially questionable during a playoff run. If a QB competition is needed, do it in the Spring.

Hopefully no one is bashed by these comments.

That is a very valid POV. Unless there is a complete collapse by JH, or an injury, I don't look for a substitution for Jalen. OTOH, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Tua worked in situationally. There is precedent for Saban having done this at LSU...

 

[ProudTider]

Sorry Rich, I'm not sure what I said that could be interpreted as bashing anyone. But here goes.

I want Alabama to win the NC, and I don't give a crap about who we have at QB when we do it as long as the trophy comes to Tuscaloosa.

I do not think it is prudent to replace a QB who is 27-2 as a starter with someone who has played limited amounts in mop-up duty even though that player has looked good in his limited duty thus far. I believe that such a change would be especially questionable during a playoff run. If a QB competition is needed, do it in the Spring.

Hopefully no one is bashed by these comments.

Some might be calling for Tua to start, I am not one of those. However, if we are down 21 points to Clemson in the middle of the third quarter, with a 3rd down conversion rate of 20%, reads resulting in 15 QB carries and 8 RB carries and 4-5 missed open receivers, I personally do not want to wait for Spring.

 

[BamaMoon]

Sorry Rich, I'm not sure what I said that could be interpreted as bashing anyone. But here goes.

I want Alabama to win the NC, and I don't give a crap about who we have at QB when we do it as long as the trophy comes to Tuscaloosa.

I do not think it is prudent to replace a QB who is 27-2 as a starter with someone who has played limited amounts in mop-up duty even though that player has looked good in his limited duty thus far. I believe that such a change would be especially questionable during a playoff run. If a QB competition is needed, do it in the Spring.

Hopefully no one is bashed by these comments.

I love the fact you are going ahead and giving him 2 more wins to total 27. I hope you are right and he leads us to another NC!!!

I'm with you all the way. At this point it's about winning and whoever takes the snaps doesn't matter.

If it's all Jalen and we win, great! If it's a combo of Jalen and Tua, great! If, it were to happen that Tua takes over and we win, great!

 

[BamaMoon]

Some might be calling for Tua to start, I am not one of those. However, if we are down 21 points to Clemson in the middle of the third quarter, with a 3rd down conversion rate of 20%, reads resulting in 15 QB carries and 8 RB carries and 4-5 missed open receivers, I personally do not want to wait for Spring.

There would be no reason not to try Tua under those circumstances. Only thing I'd suggest different is I would hope we didn't wait that late to try something different if we get behind by multiples scores.

 

[Titans&Tide]

Some might be calling for Tua to start, I am not one of those. However, if we are down 21 points to Clemson in the middle of the third quarter, with a 3rd down conversion rate of 20%, reads resulting in 15 QB carries and 8 RB carries and 4-5 missed open receivers, I personally do not want to wait for Spring.

I agree with you. There is no way I'd start Tua against Clemson. However, in a situation where Jalen has completely collapsed like you describe, it would be wise to put Tua in the game if for no other reason than to provide some time for Jalen to settle down. We've seen this done in the NFL and in college on many occasions, so precedent exists for such a move. If Tua gets hot and gets us back in the game, then you go with the hot hand.

 

[BamaMoon]

When I look at Jalen and I look at Hurts, one thing is clear - it's not about skin color at all...

Thanks Earle. I took offense at the suspended poster's suggestion that "bias" was in play here. That was a silly and unfounded statement!

 

[Titans&Tide]

I love the fact you are going ahead and giving him 2 more wins to total 27. I hope you are right and he leads us to another NC!!!

I'm with you all the way. At this point it's about winning and whoever takes the snaps doesn't matter.

If it's all Jalen and we win, great! If it's a combo of Jalen and Tua, great! If, it were to happen that Tua takes over and we win, great!

Sorry about the miscount. Definitely not a math major... Here's hoping I'm right when it's all said and done this season!

 

[B1GTide]

I might "start" Tua against Clemson just to create confusion. Have him take the field, then quickly run Jalen out there. Watch the Clemson sidelines. :eek2:

 

[JustNeedMe81]

I might "start" Tua against Clemson just to create confusion. Have him take the field, then quickly run Jalen out there. Watch the Clemson sidelines. :eek2:

You know what? That isn't bad idea at all. Start Jalen first, do first 10 scripted plays. Take him off the field.. Put Tua in... That would confuse Clemson and once they make adjustments, take him out and put Jalen in. You force Clemson to adjust throughout the game.

 

[BamaMoon]

You know what? That isn't bad idea at all. Start Jalen first, do first 10 scripted plays. Take him off the field.. Put Tua in... That would confuse Clemson and once they make adjustments, take him out and put Jalen in. You force Clemson to adjust throughout the game.

Shhhhhhhhhh...don't give it away!

 

[B1GTide]

You know what? That isn't bad idea at all. Start Jalen first, do first 10 scripted plays. Take him off the field.. Put Tua in... That would confuse Clemson and once they make adjustments, take him out and put Jalen in. You force Clemson to adjust throughout the game.

As Earle said earlier, Saban has done this when he was with LSU.

 

[CoolBreeze]

As Earle said earlier, Saban has done this when he was with LSU.

And probably a fantastic idea.

 

[Intl.Aperture]

As Earle said earlier, Saban has done this when he was with LSU.

It's true but I had heard in the past that this is also very strenuous on the QB's and can have negative affects on their rhythm. Having never played myself I don't know how true this is. It would be a big gamble. As hard as it is to prepare 1 QB for the defense they will see I imagine it has to be twice as hard to guarantee quality across a 2 QB system.

As noted it's been done before successfully and not just by Saban, but if memory serves it malfunctions more than it succeeds - though often with lesser talent across the board.

Boy, I'm pretty sure I made myself bi-polar just thinking through that situation. Still not sure where I stand. lol

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

It would be great to if you did the opposite of what they would expect after that. Tua goes in and run a bunch of option and running plays with a few passes mixed in then throw in Jalen and take a shot deep. Obviously, you normally would play to the players strengths but there are a lot of possibilities when you have two QBs that both have good arm talent and both are very mobile.

 

[Tideflyer]

I might "start" Tua against Clemson just to create confusion. Have him take the field, then quickly run Jalen out there. Watch the Clemson sidelines. :eek2:

Don`t know if we`d do something like that, but I do anticipate something " different ". Probably more subtle and scheme wise on both sides of the ball, particularly on O. It wouldn`t surprise me, though, if we did see Tua, regardless of how Jalen might be doing at any point.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

It's true but I had heard in the past that this is also very strenuous on the QB's and can have negative affects on their rhythm. Having never played myself I don't know how true this is. It would be a big gamble. As hard as it is to prepare 1 QB for the defense they will see I imagine it has to be twice as hard to guarantee quality across a 2 QB system.

As noted it's been done before successfully and not just by Saban, but if memory serves it malfunctions more than it succeeds - though often with lesser talent across the board.

Boy, I'm pretty sure I made myself bi-polar just thinking through that situation. Still not sure where I stand. lol

There are definitely issues with it. It's also slightly complicated by the fact that Tua is a lefty. But if anyone could managed it it's Saban. And if it worked it could really evolve into something cool.

 

[B1GTide]

It's true but I had heard in the past that this is also very strenuous on the QB's and can have negative affects on their rhythm. Having never played myself I don't know how true this is. It would be a big gamble. As hard as it is to prepare 1 QB for the defense they will see I imagine it has to be twice as hard to guarantee quality across a 2 QB system.

As noted it's been done before successfully and not just by Saban, but if memory serves it malfunctions more than it succeeds - though often with lesser talent across the board.

Boy, I'm pretty sure I made myself bi-polar just thinking through that situation. Still not sure where I stand. lol

It usually fails because one is clearly a passer and one is clearly a runner. Imagine this:

Alabama starts the game with Jalen running your standard offense. If things go well, you continue down that path. I mean, Jalen played well enough to score 31 points against Clemson last year. 31 points will win this game.

Okay, things get a little dicey. You bring in Tua, not to run a more pass-centric offense, but to run the same plays that he has run all season. He is also a great RPO guy, but he tends to distribute the ball more, preferring only to run when he is forced to or when it is wide open.

Then you bring back Jalen and have him run a more pass-centric offense.

Keep them guessing. Both QBs can run and pass. It would drive them nuts and keep them on their heels. Might slow them down just a little, and that is all it would take for this to turn into a rout.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

It usually fails because one is clearly a passer and one is clearly a runner. Imagine this:

Alabama starts the game with Jalen running your standard offense. If things go well, you continue down that path. I mean, Jalen played well enough to score 31 points against Clemson last year. 31 points will win this game.

Okay, things get a little dicey. You bring in Tua, not to run a more pass-centric offense, but to run the same plays that he has run all season. He is also a great RPO guy, but he tends to distribute the ball more, preferring only to run when he is forced to or when it is wide open.

Then you bring back Jalen and have him run a more pass-centric offense.

Keep them guessing. Both QBs can run and pass. It would drive them nuts and keep them on their heels. Might slow them down just a little, and that is all it would take for this to turn into a rout.

This has been my dream scenario for a while now. If done correctly it could be absolutely devastating.

 

[Intl.Aperture]

It usually fails because one is clearly a passer and one is clearly a runner. Imagine this:

Alabama starts the game with Jalen running your standard offense. If things go well, you continue down that path. I mean, Jalen played well enough to score 31 points against Clemson last year. 31 points will win this game.

Okay, things get a little dicey. You bring in Tua, not to run a more pass-centric offense, but to run the same plays that he has run all season. He is also a great RPO guy, but he tends to distribute the ball more, preferring only to run when he is forced to or when it is wide open.

Then you bring back Jalen and have him run a more pass-centric offense.

Keep them guessing. Both QBs can run and pass. It would drive them nuts and keep them on their heels. Might slow them down just a little, and that is all it would take for this to turn into a rout.

Tua and Jalen in the backfield at the same time the snap is to Jalen who pitches it out to Tua who throws back across the field to Jalen on a wheel route. Touchdown Alabama.