2018 NFL Draft Thread

[RollTide_HTTR]

Side note: I think I'm going to the Redskins "draft party" nonsense (I've never been and its something to do on a Saturday) because of Payne. Just found out Chris Samuels will be there as well and got a lot more excited.

Apparently Arie Kouandjio will be there as well. I'm hoping Allen and Anderson show up to support Payne too.

 

[B1GTide]

Curious to see who goes in round 2 today. Harrison and Averett seem to have solid chances. Honestly wouldn't mind either on the Redskins but I think they go OL or RB. I'm secretly hoping we grab SDH and/or Bozeman later on. We really need a C/G and could use a young ILB.

Harrison is a lock. Averett and Hand are 50/50. Everyone else is Day 3 or FA.

 

[Rama Jama]

Levi Wallace will be drafted too. Harrison and maybe Hand and Averette will go tonight. Robert Foster is a project, but, still a possibility to be drafted because he is so fast. It would not surprise me to see Cam Sims drafted late as well. A team may also draft JK Scott as well. He is the best punter by far in the last 10 years.

In general last night just goes to show how stupid a lot of these general manager really are when it comes to evaluation. Cleveland takes a Mayfield first when IMHO Lamar Jackson is far more advanced having been in a Petrino offense for 3 years. Mayfield, like all spread QB's, almost never learned to read a defense. This is where these guys struggle. There is a statistic I heard last night that all the Big 12 QB's drafted in the last 10 years are 58 games under 500. This tells you that the pass and no defense leagues are detrimental to QB development. Why can't the NFL see that? Jackson actually had some pocket passing in the Louisville offense so I think he is far more prepared than Mayfield. And what is with drafting centers in the 1st round when you could easily get them in later rounds much cheaper. These GM's must be stupid, stupid, stupid.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

I am still scratching my head over taking Mayfield first overall. They still would have gotten him at the 4th pick. Then again it is the Browns and well, they will be picking in the top 5 next year too and the next and the next and so on. They never learn. I just hope they never draft another Bama player.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

I am still scratching my head over taking Mayfield first overall. They still would have gotten him at the 4th pick. Then again it is the Browns and well, they will be picking in the top 5 next year too and the next and the next and so on. They never learn. I just hope they never draft another Bama player.

Rumor was the Jets were taking Mayfield(not sure if they still would with Darnold there or not). Not sure they could have picked him at 4.

Levi Wallace will be drafted too. Harrison and maybe Hand and Averette will go tonight. Robert Foster is a project, but, still a possibility to be drafted because he is so fast. It would not surprise me to see Cam Sims drafted late as well. A team may also draft JK Scott as well. He is the best punter by far in the last 10 years.

In general last night just goes to show how stupid a lot of these general manager really are when it comes to evaluation. Cleveland takes a Mayfield first when IMHO Lamar Jackson is far more advanced having been in a Petrino offense for 3 years. Mayfield, like all spread QB's, almost never learned to read a defense. This is where these guys struggle. There is a statistic I heard last night that all the Big 12 QB's drafted in the last 10 years are 58 games under 500. This tells you that the pass and no defense leagues are detrimental to QB development. Why can't the NFL see that? Jackson actually had some pocket passing in the Louisville offense so I think he is far more prepared than Mayfield. And what is with drafting centers in the 1st round when you could easily get them in later rounds much cheaper. These GM's must be stupid, stupid, stupid.

Baker is wayyyyyyy more accurate than Lamar it isn't even a little bit close. I like Lamar and all but as a passer he is well behind Mayfield in some aspects.
FWIW, PFF and another guy have both done studies on QBs and found that the best (not good but best) projection tool is accuracy in a clean pocket. Mayfield is deadly accurate.

I am not an expert and QBs are realllllly hard to project but I don't think the Mayfield pick was a bad one at all. I like Rosen and Mayfield over the other QBs personally.

 

[CrimsonForce]

You know, for as much as we hear about how loaded the Clemson roster is they didn't have a first rounder and honestly not sure if / when they'll have a player taken. I know they had a few defensive lineman return to school that would have been picked in the 2nd round but I still thought with they way they've been stockpiling talent that they'd have at least 1 first round pick every year..

 

[JustNeedMe81]

Harrison is a lock. Averett and Hand are 50/50. Everyone else is Day 3 or FA.

Expect Hand, Harrison to go today. Averett is likely 2 to 4th round. Brown, Foster, Hamilton should be drafted by Saturday.

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[B1GTide]

You know, for as much as we hear about how loaded the Clemson roster is they didn't have a first rounder and honestly not sure if / when they'll have a player taken. I know they had a few defensive lineman return to school that would have been picked in the 2nd round but I still thought with they way they've been stockpiling talent that they'd have at least 1 first round pick every year..

Clelin Ferrell, Austin Bryant and Christian Wilkins all stayed after receiving 1st round grades - not 2nd round grades.

 

[CrimsonForce]

Clelin Ferrell, Austin Bryant and Christian Wilkins all stayed after receiving 1st round grades - not 2nd round grades.

Wrong:

"Indeed, the NFL is a business, and there was certainly a business component to their decisions. For starters, none of the three received a sure-fire first-round grade from the NFL draft advisory committee. Ferrell and Wilkins were in the first/second-round range, and Bryant in the third-round range. But even without the guarantee of first-round money, all three had people close to them advising them that they needed to go ahead and take their shot at the NFL right now and not wait."

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...en-spurned-nfl-draft-one-more-season-together

 

[B1GTide]

Wrong:

"Indeed, the NFL is a business, and there was certainly a business component to their decisions. For starters, none of the three received a sure-fire first-round grade from the NFL draft advisory committee. Ferrell and Wilkins were in the first/second-round range, and Bryant in the third-round range. But even without the guarantee of first-round money, all three had people close to them advising them that they needed to go ahead and take their shot at the NFL right now and not wait."

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...en-spurned-nfl-draft-one-more-season-together

It depends on who you ask. Clemson said that all 3 received 1st round grades. The grades don't go to ESPN - they go to the school. So, who do we believe?

ETA - Thanks for the link - that was a good read.

 

[CrimsonForce]

It depends on who you ask. Clemson said that all 3 received 1st round grades. The grades don't go to ESPN - they go to the school. So, who do we believe?

Do you a link that explicitly states what you just said? I follow this stuff pretty close and I have not seen or read anything where all 3 were given first round grades. From what I can recall not a single one was graded as a true first rounder but labeled first/second round range. I've never seen Bryant discussed in the first round from any reputable source. The point is even if all 3 had declared they might of had 1 player picked in the first round. Still pretty light for a team that has recruited as well as they have..

 

[RTR91]

https://twitter.com/abc/status/989883826783469568

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

https://twitter.com/abc/status/989883826783469568

How perfect. I'm sure Georgia/Falcons fans are loving that

 

[Rama Jama]

Rumor was the Jets were taking Mayfield(not sure if they still would with Darnold there or not). Not sure they could have picked him at 4.


Baker is wayyyyyyy more accurate than Lamar it isn't even a little bit close. I like Lamar and all but as a passer he is well behind Mayfield in some aspects.
FWIW, PFF and another guy have both done studies on QBs and found that the best (not good but best) projection tool is accuracy in a clean pocket. Mayfield is deadly accurate.

I am not an expert and QBs are realllllly hard to project but I don't think the Mayfield pick was a bad one at all. I like Rosen and Mayfield over the other QBs personally.

I respectfully disagree. Open receivers are easy to find when things breakdown and DB's are covering for a long time. It skews accuracy figures. Completion percentage will be much higher when you are throwing to guys who don't have a DB around them as receivers get lost in zone coverage. Mayfield won't have that luxury on the pros. He won't be able to extend plays in the NFL like he did in college and reading the defense will be the determining factor. RG3 couldn't adjust, neither could Manziel. The only guy out of a spread offense to have decent success is Dalton and he is spotty at best. Mayfield can be a good player in 2 or 3 years once he has had time to learn to read defenses, but he'll be expected to the savior on day 1. I just don't see it happening. The commentators kept comparing him to Brees in New Orleans, but Brees came from a more traditional Purdue offense. Apples to oranges.
I honestly did not see a QB I thought was outstanding in this class. A few had the arm strength, but few had records I would risk my career over as a GM. Darnold has the tools, but I did see him make mistakes after mistake. If he throws 13 interceptions in the Pac 12, he'll throw 20 in the NFL. Rosen has an attitude problem to me. The Allen kid again looks good on paper, but he comes from an offense that is not conducive to making successful pro QB's. My personal opinion is that so many team are desperate for a Tom Brady type QB that they see characteristic's that aren't there in these guys. I just think Petrino is the QB whisperer.

 

[RTR91]

Saw someone note just now on Twitter that the Pats took two UGA players after Belichick spent time with the UGA staff and spoke at the UGA coaches clinic.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

You know, for as much as we hear about how loaded the Clemson roster is they didn't have a first rounder and honestly not sure if / when they'll have a player taken. I know they had a few defensive lineman return to school that would have been picked in the 2nd round but I still thought with they way they've been stockpiling talent that they'd have at least 1 first round pick every year..

It just goes to show how we are just on another level even from them right now. We could easily have another 3-4 guys go in the 1st round next year.

Right now I'd bet Davis, Wilson, Jonah and Damien all have decent shots. Davis is probably a lock. Terrell Lewis could put his name in the ring with a big season too.

 

[CajunCrimson]

It just goes to show how we are just on another level even from them right now. We could easily have another 3-4 guys go in the 1st round next year.

Right now I'd bet Davis, Wilson, Jonah and Damien all have decent shots. Davis is probably a lock. Terrell Lewis could put his name in the ring with a big season too.

Any thoughts on Buggs making it too?

 

[CajunCrimson]

Harrison is a lock. Averett and Hand are 50/50. Everyone else is Day 3 or FA.

I thought Round 3 was today too.

Tony Brown and JK are going to go higher than some people think. Tony is one of those guys who has the "freaky" thing going -- athletically that will make someone take a chance on him early.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

I respectfully disagree. Open receivers are easy to find when things breakdown and DB's are covering for a long time. It skews accuracy figures. Completion percentage will be much higher when you are throwing to guys who don't have a DB around them as receivers get lost in zone coverage. Mayfield won't have that luxury on the pros. He won't be able to extend plays in the NFL like he did in college and reading the defense will be the determining factor. RG3 couldn't adjust, neither could Manziel. The only guy out of a spread offense to have decent success is Dalton and he is spotty at best. Mayfield can be a good player in 2 or 3 years once he has had time to learn to read defenses, but he'll be expected to the savior on day 1. I just don't see it happening. The commentators kept comparing him to Brees in New Orleans, but Brees came from a more traditional Purdue offense. Apples to oranges.
I honestly did not see a QB I thought was outstanding in this class. A few had the arm strength, but few had records I would risk my career over as a GM. Darnold has the tools, but I did see him make mistakes after mistake. If he throws 13 interceptions in the Pac 12, he'll throw 20 in the NFL. Rosen has an attitude problem to me. The Allen kid again looks good on paper, but he comes from an offense that is not conducive to making successful pro QB's. My personal opinion is that so many team are desperate for a Tom Brady type QB that they see characteristic's that aren't there in these guys. I just think Petrino it he QB whisperer.

It's not about open receivers or completion percentage its about accuracy. Can you hit a player in stride. Also, PFF did a "tight window" breakdown for every QB and Baker was still the most accurate on tight window throws BY A MILE.

Baker is the best at basically every type of throw in every situation. It's pretty insane.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Any thoughts on Buggs making it too?

No idea tbh. I wouldn't think so at this point but who knows what he does this year. Davis is just a complete freak of a human with good production. Those guys don't come around that often.