Another HS shooting - Santa Fe, TX (South of Houston)

[NationalTitles18]

Be careful what you wish for

um....yeah...

 

[Bazza]

I'm not suggesting less education in any area. I even have a degree in psychology. But I would hesitate to prescribe social science education to address a specific social problem, unless perhaps that problem is underemployment of those with social science degrees. It might help with that, but at what cost?

OK thanks for the clarification.

I can only speak for myself. Learning about sociology helped ME understand more about what makes people act the way they do.

Whether it addresses specific social problems....more complex a subject, for sure.

 

[Bazza]

i said it's not about changing the 2a, not that it shouldn't be discussed.

the rest may not be happening in part because the folks who should be talking about gun safety are supplying the puke funnel with nonsense like this

Those people are entitled to do and say whatever they wish - but as I said before - all that stuff takes the oxygen out of the room.

Why talk about the NRA when we can discuss how to properly secure firearms in the home?

 

[Bazza]

I was talking to my fiance about this story. I told her that we need to start teaching our kids to be friends with everyone. Yes, the answer should be that is the universal message and not just to be self preservation in a situation like this but you have to start somewhere. We are also very proactive in the realm of bullying. We have reached out to the school to discuss one of our girls being bullied. We have also reached out to the school to make sure our other girl is not being a bully to a girl she dislikes. I have what some of you may feel is an unpopular stance on bullying. I feel it is the responsibility of parents to teach their children to not bully others as well as how to handle being bullied. They are in elementary school. While they hopefully will not be subject to a school shooting ever it is much less likely in elementary school or middle school.

This is a great post.

Here is something someone else wrote that I found very interesting and valid along those lines......

"I’ve recently had some guns rights groups approach me about speaking at events. I also receive a fair amount of ridicule and shaming for my pro gun stance. All related to Recent events of high school kids being killed by a classmate. Until we are ready to have a discussion about how society as a whole has failed our kids. No laws, knee jerk regulations or tolerance will change a thing.
We need to realize that the responsibility of having kids is 100% on the parents shoulders. This 18 year responsibility is a long road lined with many tears, lots of heartaches and plenty of anger. The ultimate goal is to send them off to adulthood with confidence, manors, drive, self reliance and most importantly a High Sense of Self Value.
That level of self value is the tipping point for most kids. When a kid can stare at his phone/computer for hours. It tells him what’s cool and what’s not cool. It will also be a beacon for navigating through the darkness. That guiding light in the darkness will not show them the right path. Instead it will show them the correct way to starve yourself and avoid hunger pains, correct way to cut yourself and conceal it, the correct way to hate, and lots of other unspeakable things we don’t want to imagine our kids doing. These paths will reduce self value to nothing and support them for feeling worthless. This is a big reason why the suicide rate of teens has risen 30% in recent years. Our role in this game is to make the tough decisions for them. Monitor and regulate what your kids are doing and seeing. If you don’t see warning signs, it doesn’t mean everything is fine. Check in with them.
The most important piece to this puzzle is the self value. The sure fire way to give them NO self value. Is to let them go down the path that modern society dictates. The false promise that college and computers or being a rapper or sports star is the only way to succeed at life. They are not. That valuable self worth can come in many different forms including working with your hands. Doing a job so well that people depend on you. People will get upset when you’re not around doing what you are great at. Ultimately making them “needed”.
Maybe it’s time to bring back industrial arts to high schools. Also bring back Home Economics and show boys/girls how to cook and clean and sew. The path we’re on now is raising a generation of kids with no basic skill set for life(most can’t read a clock now). That high core value will carry for the rest of their lives. When they see great value in themselves, they will also see it in others. They will also have empathy and respect for friends and family. I guess I’m kind of rambling now. I just get so upset every time of see one of these kids pictures on TV. It’s like I can see exactly what is going on with them. If only we as parents could do our job better. Tragedies like we have seen could really be avoided not just pacified."

 

[92tide]

This is a great post.

Here is something someone else wrote that I found very interesting and valid along those lines......

"I’ve recently had some guns rights groups approach me about speaking at events. I also receive a fair amount of ridicule and shaming for my pro gun stance. All related to Recent events of high school kids being killed by a classmate. Until we are ready to have a discussion about how society as a whole has failed our kids. No laws, knee jerk regulations or tolerance will change a thing.
We need to realize that the responsibility of having kids is 100% on the parents shoulders. This 18 year responsibility is a long road lined with many tears, lots of heartaches and plenty of anger. The ultimate goal is to send them off to adulthood with confidence, manors, drive, self reliance and most importantly a High Sense of Self Value.
That level of self value is the tipping point for most kids. When a kid can stare at his phone/computer for hours. It tells him what’s cool and what’s not cool. It will also be a beacon for navigating through the darkness. That guiding light in the darkness will not show them the right path. Instead it will show them the correct way to starve yourself and avoid hunger pains, correct way to cut yourself and conceal it, the correct way to hate, and lots of other unspeakable things we don’t want to imagine our kids doing. These paths will reduce self value to nothing and support them for feeling worthless. This is a big reason why the suicide rate of teens has risen 30% in recent years. Our role in this game is to make the tough decisions for them. Monitor and regulate what your kids are doing and seeing. If you don’t see warning signs, it doesn’t mean everything is fine. Check in with them.
The most important piece to this puzzle is the self value. The sure fire way to give them NO self value. Is to let them go down the path that modern society dictates. The false promise that college and computers or being a rapper or sports star is the only way to succeed at life. They are not. That valuable self worth can come in many different forms including working with your hands. Doing a job so well that people depend on you. People will get upset when you’re not around doing what you are great at. Ultimately making them “needed”.
Maybe it’s time to bring back industrial arts to high schools. Also bring back Home Economics and show boys/girls how to cook and clean and sew. The path we’re on now is raising a generation of kids with no basic skill set for life(most can’t read a clock now). That high core value will carry for the rest of their lives. When they see great value in themselves, they will also see it in others. They will also have empathy and respect for friends and family. I guess I’m kind of rambling now. I just get so upset every time of see one of these kids pictures on TV. It’s like I can see exactly what is going on with them. If only we as parents could do our job better. Tragedies like we have seen could really be avoided not just pacified."

that is nothing but pining for "kids need to be more like i was when i grew up"

it tugs at the heart strings for sure.

 

[Bazza]

that is nothing but pining for "kids need to be more like i was when i grew up"

it tugs at the heart strings for sure.

Thanks....I agree.

Why is it 92.....when kids snap - they feel the need to harm others?

 

[92tide]

Thanks....I agree.

Why is it 92.....when kids snap - they feel the need to harm others?

i have no idea. there are ton's of data about all of these things you keep asking available at your fingertips.

 

[Bazza]

i have no idea. there are ton's of data about all of these things you keep asking available at your fingertips.

Thanks....but I wanted to hear your opinion, if you had one.

No biggie.

 

[MattinBama]

Why talk about the NRA when we can discuss how to properly secure firearms in the home?

You almost have to talk about the NRA if anything is going to change. Even laws about properly securing firearms in the home could be (and have been repeatedly) opposed by the NRA. When more people start realizing that they exist more to encourage firearm sales for manufacturers than to protect rights we might can start getting further in the national discussion before they turn the screws on politicians.

 

[CajunCrimson]

On the subject of school education - is Sociology still an course that is required in public schools?

It's evolved into a class on Cultural Diversity.....

 

[cbi1972]

You almost have to talk about the NRA if anything is going to change. Even laws about properly securing firearms in the home could be (and have been repeatedly) opposed by the NRA. When more people start realizing that they exist more to encourage firearm sales for manufacturers than to protect rights we might can start getting further in the national discussion before they turn the screws on politicians.

If the ACLU would do what they should be doing, the NRA wouldn't be needed.

 

[jthomas666]

Seen on Twiter (can't ) link due to language

Q: With this school shooting in Texas, why is everyone carrying on about a royal wedding across the ocean?

A: Hey, royal weddings don't happen every week.

 

[CajunCrimson]

Seen on Twiter (can't ) link due to language

Q: With this school shooting in Texas, why is everyone carrying on about a royal wedding across the ocean?

A: Hey, royal weddings don't happen every week.

Jokes about killing kids..... wow..... SMH

 

[Bazza]

You almost have to talk about the NRA if anything is going to change. Even laws about properly securing firearms in the home could be (and have been repeatedly) opposed by the NRA. When more people start realizing that they exist more to encourage firearm sales for manufacturers than to protect rights we might can start getting further in the national discussion before they turn the screws on politicians.

I understand what you are saying and you have a valid point, Matt

I was merely suggesting we take the NRA and politicians out of the equation and do whatever is possible until we can effect change in those 2 entities....(if it ever happens).

 

[MattinBama]

I understand what you are saying and you have a valid point, Matt

I was merely suggesting we take the NRA and politicians out of the equation and do whatever is possible until we can effect change in those 2 entities....(if it ever happens).

Not sure how you can take them out of the equation when they (and their relationship) is part of the reason we can't affect change.

 

[MattinBama]

Jokes about killing kids..... wow..... SMH

When people aren't willing to make hard choices to fix things sometimes you are only left with dark humor to rationalize/process it.

 

[Bazza]

Jokes about killing kids..... wow..... SMH

People have a very warped sense of humor. Not surprise curse words were involved. The two often go hand in hand.

Ever wonder why curse words are not allowed here?

"Family friendly".....continually under siege......sigh.....

 

[Bazza]

Not sure how you can take them out of the equation when they (and their relationship) is part of the reason we can't affect change.

I have already made changes with respect to firearm security in my home since yesterday.

It was quite easy.

The NRA and politicians weren't even on my radar. I was thinking about the kids.....

 

[92tide]

Thanks....but I wanted to hear your opinion, if you had one.

No biggie.

my apologies, i thought it was clear. my opinion is that a lot of folks seem to think if they talk about everything but guns wrt to these occurrences, they will change the topic away from guns. historically, that has been the case. i hope it has changed a bit though.

eta: had to double check and make sure no swear words were implied

 

[92tide]

People have a very warped sense of humor. Not surprise curse words were involved. The two often go hand in hand.

Ever wonder why curse words are not allowed here?

"Family friendly".....continually under siege......sigh.....

ok, so now it's swear words that are the problem.

and here i thought rampant pc culture is what has been ruining our great nation.