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deliveryman35

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The 2011 team, the best Alabama D in recent memory, gave up more points to Georgia Southern (FCS) than to anyone else all year, culminating in a shutout in the championship. Not saying this D is anything like that one, but just that this metric doesn't mean much.
I remember that game. I think Southern ran the wishbone and had over 300 yds rushing that day against us as well.
 

BamaMan09

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This. TOP is a big drop this year because we are throwing vs running. They are still forcing us to pass. We are getting huge leads early which allow us to teach lessons to the defense

I truly am not concerned even in the slightest. I’m fine winning by 40 even if they score 25.

We are mostly complaining not about scoring margin, but about style points.

What’s been the closest margin at halftime this year? 25? 30?
We were beating aTm 31-13 at the half and I believe they could end up third in the west when all is said and done.
 

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ESPN should really do him a favor and never let him call Bama games. It’s like he’s afraid he’ll get fired if he’s positive at all about them. Good Lord, even Gary D will say good things about Bama from time to time.


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What's weird is that .... I don't know if he sees very well..... or maybe he struggles seeing on a monitor. He kept saying Najee was juggling the ball as he fell.... I was like, "what?" -- plus he didn't think it was targeting..... (which I still feel the refs whiffed on).

On the brightside, he did defend Carter on that bad "targeting" call against him....where he's just standing there....and the QB slides/falls into him....

Geez -- we complain a lot for a 6-0 team, lol
 

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I'm expecting the LSU game to be a toe-to-toe fight...
It won’t be. The LSU games have been close for ONE reason...coach goes super conservative and LSU loads the box. This year that will cost you 70 points. Tua will light their donkeys up! LSU has a squishy secondary and you can run on them when they soften the DL. I can’t wait to see Bama play them at night in front of ALLLL America. RTR!!!


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ESPN should really do him a favor and never let him call Bama games. It’s like he’s afraid he’ll get fired if he’s positive at all about them. Good Lord, even Gary D will say good things about Bama from time to time.


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Exactly. I remember Bama fans jumping all over him years ago and at that time he said he was lighten up. Well, he’s gone back into his old ways. Luckily, I didn’t watch the full game.
 

B1GTide

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Viewed as his individual plays, he does look good. IDK yet if our positional problems in the secondary are lying somewhat at his doorstep, though...
As the person responsible for setting the secondary, he has publicly accepted responsibility for the poor play. That said, he sets the secondary based on the call made by Mack Wilson, and many of those calls have been late and/or wrong, so how much is really his fault?
 

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As the person responsible for setting the secondary, he has publicly accepted responsibility for the poor play. That said, he sets the secondary based on the call made by Mack Wilson, and many of those calls have been late and/or wrong, so how much is really his fault?
I don't really know but I'll guarantee that Saban is asking that question...
 

BamaInBham

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I agree that overall we are in a different universe when it comes to our D vs OU 2017. But when I look at yesterday as a snap shot and the way we are trending, I’m just concerned by what I’m seeing on that side of the ball.

Maybe you guys are right and we will just muscle our way to another NC outscoring everybody by 35 points. Fine, I’m ok with that. But, I’m just a traditionalist used to seeing it done the other way! I WILL say this—this team is FUN to watch!
It's impossible to do it the "other" way anymore. IMO, CNS became fully convinced, no doubt he already knew, as he saw one of the greatest college defense's of all time give up 35 to Clemson with a great QB and good WRs in 2016. They gave up 40 the year before with another great D. It is possible to stone a running game simply with numbers. It is impossible to stop a passing offense with a great QB and good or better WRs and just a decent OL. They can be even less talented but "on", e.g., Stephen Garcia or Trevor Knight, and you cannot stop them. IMO, Saban never wanted to have to depend on one player, QB, to win games. In the past the passing game was much more inconsistent - the QB could be just a little off and cripple the O for that game but now with all of the focus/practice that is given to the passing game, the the skill is off of the charts. Players routinely make throws and catches that in the past were "once a year" type plays. It's not just the rules that have changed, and they have, but the skill in the passing game is phenomenal. You cannot shut down a good passing game, much less a great one. CNS know it - he has changed his approach.

(Btw, most know you are a Bama fan but since you're such an extreme pessimist it's understandable that someone who's not paying close attention might be fooled.) Yeah, the D had a bad game - it happens. And yes they have some ongoing problems but they are definitely above average, probably good, nothing like OU, and most importantly are probably good enough to win another NC. Ark put up 30 on the arguably Bama's greatest D in 2016. It was all against the ones too as were the 40 OM put up and Clemson's 35. Yes, those Os are better than 2018 Ark. Still...

Bama now has a transcendent QB, a very good OL, very good RBs, and great if not transcendent WRs (the WRs are incredible and very well coached by Gattis) and a good receiving TE. It is as close to unstoppable as an offense can be. Even if they play a great D and are off they can probably still put up 35-45. All of this assuming good health.
 

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It's impossible to do it the "other" way anymore. IMO, CNS became fully convinced, no doubt he already knew, as he saw one of the greatest college defense's of all time give up 35 to Clemson with a great QB and good WRs in 2016. They gave up 40 the year before with another great D. It is possible to stone a running game simply with numbers. It is impossible to stop a passing offense with a great QB and good or better WRs and just a decent OL. They can be even less talented but "on", e.g., Stephen Garcia or Trevor Knight, and you cannot stop them. IMO, Saban never wanted to have to depend on one player, QB, to win games. In the past the passing game was much more inconsistent - the QB could be just a little off and cripple the O for that game but now with all of the focus/practice that is given to the passing game, the the skill is off of the charts. Players routinely make throws and catches that in the past were "once a year" type plays. It's not just the rules that have changed, and they have, but the skill in the passing game is phenomenal. You cannot shut down a good passing game, much less a great one. CNS know it - he has changed his approach.

(Btw, most know you are a Bama fan but since you're such an extreme pessimist it's understandable that someone who's not paying close attention might be fooled.) Yeah, the D had a bad game - it happens. And yes they have some ongoing problems but they are definitely above average, probably good, nothing like OU, and most importantly are probably good enough to win another NC. Ark put up 30 on the arguably Bama's greatest D in 2016. It was all against the ones too as were the 40 OM put up and Clemson's 35. Yes, those Os are better than 2018 Ark. Still...

Bama now has a transcendent QB, a very good OL, very good RBs, and great if not transcendent WRs (the WRs are incredible and very well coached by Gattis) and a good receiving TE. It is as close to unstoppable as an offense can be. Even if they play a great D and are off they can probably still put up 35-45. All of this assuming


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It's impossible to do it the "other" way anymore. IMO, CNS became fully convinced, no doubt he already knew, as he saw one of the greatest college defense's of all time give up 35 to Clemson with a great QB and good WRs in 2016. They gave up 40 the year before with another great D. It is possible to stone a running game simply with numbers. It is impossible to stop a passing offense with a great QB and good or better WRs and just a decent OL. They can be even less talented but "on", e.g., Stephen Garcia or Trevor Knight, and you cannot stop them. IMO, Saban never wanted to have to depend on one player, QB, to win games. In the past the passing game was much more inconsistent - the QB could be just a little off and cripple the O for that game but now with all of the focus/practice that is given to the passing game, the the skill is off of the charts. Players routinely make throws and catches that in the past were "once a year" type plays. It's not just the rules that have changed, and they have, but the skill in the passing game is phenomenal. You cannot shut down a good passing game, much less a great one. CNS know it - he has changed his approach.

(Btw, most know you are a Bama fan but since you're such an extreme pessimist it's understandable that someone who's not paying close attention might be fooled.) Yeah, the D had a bad game - it happens. And yes they have some ongoing problems but they are definitely above average, probably good, nothing like OU, and most importantly are probably good enough to win another NC. Ark put up 30 on the arguably Bama's greatest D in 2016. It was all against the ones too as were the 40 OM put up and Clemson's 35. Yes, those Os are better than 2018 Ark. Still...

Bama now has a transcendent QB, a very good OL, very good RBs, and great if not transcendent WRs (the WRs are incredible and very well coached by Gattis) and a good receiving TE. It is as close to unstoppable as an offense
can be. Even if they play a great D and are off they can probably still put up 35-45. All of this assuming good health.
BamainBham,

Last year I predicted every game in the regular season correctly—I only picked us to lose the auburn game—which we did. This year i am predicting we will win EVERY regular season game, however I am still cautioning that we will ultimately need to play at a high level on defense to win championships. I really think defense will come into play at some point, most likely in the post regular season. I respect your opinion—Please tell me where we disagree, if at all.
 
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BamainBham,

Last year I predicted every game in the regular season correctly—I only picked us to lose the auburn game—which we did. This year i am predicting we will win EVERY regular season game, however I am still cautioning that we will ultimately need to play at a high level on defense to win championships. I really think defense will come into play at some point, most likely in the post regular season. I respect your opinion—Please tell me where we disagree, if at all.
Besides a fully healed tOSU I really don’t see anyone in the country being able to slow our offense down enough to gain an advantage in a game. That includes UGA, ND, and whoever
 

BamaInBham

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BamainBham,

Last year I predicted every game in the regular season correctly—I only picked us to lose the auburn game—which we did. This year i am predicting we will win EVERY regular season game, however I am still cautioning that we will ultimately need to play at a high level on defense to win championships. I really think defense will come into play at some point, most likely in the post regular season. I respect your opinion—Please tell me where we disagree, if at all.
It's hard to give you credit for the AU prediction since you always overstate their ability and understate Bama's. You just kinda lucked out on that one. I say that only partially t-i-c :). In all seriousness, certainly it's better to have the best defense possible and it's true that this D is not up to Bama's typical standards at this time. Saban told us that before the season began when saying we would have to win some shootouts. But it is still above average and has the talent to significantly improve. The advanced metrics (takes opposition and garbage time into account) that I have seen has Bama ranked around number 18 on defense. That is more than good enough to win a NC with this offense. I don't see a defense that can significantly slow this O down? There are no great Ds and if there were I think Bama could still put up 35-45. It's simply impossible to stop this offense. They can do everything, have a good enough OL and a superior central nervous system (Tua and the offensive coaches: ML, CE, JG, NS). Is Alabama invincible ? Of course not. But who is the most likely real competition? IMO, in order: OSU, UGA and maybe Clemson. IMO, Bama is clearly better than them all - on both O and D (UGA may be close on D, maybe OSU on O, but they don't have Tua. Haskins is good, though overrated a bit, but IMO does not compare - who does? And Bama's WRs and...). It's a new world and things are likely never to revert. Some good, some bad. Enjoy the good and know that CNS is more remarkable than even most of his admirers realize. Bama nor anyone else will likely see his equal again.

Don't let the Ark game overstress you. It was not good but that happens from time to time. Even the possible greatest Bama D of all time gave up 43 to OM, 30 to Ark and 35 to Clemson in 2016 - I know those offenses were much better than 2018 Ark. The secondary and DL are very good, Williams and Thompson are mostly great, the LBs have talent. CNS will see that he gets the most out of them. Not with a whip like some think but through diligence, wisdom and understanding. What more can we ask for?
 

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It's hard to give you credit for the AU prediction since you always overstate their ability and understate Bama's. You just kinda lucked out on that one. I say that only partially t-i-c :). In all seriousness, certainly it's better to have the best defense possible and it's true that this D is not up to Bama's typical standards at this time. Saban told us that before the season began when saying we would have to win some shootouts. But it is still above average and has the talent to significantly improve. The advanced metrics (takes opposition and garbage time into account) that I have seen has Bama ranked around number 18 on defense. That is more than good enough to win a NC with this offense. I don't see a defense that can significantly slow this O down? There are no great Ds and if there were I think Bama could still put up 35-45. It's simply impossible to stop this offense. They can do everything, have a good enough OL and a superior central nervous system (Tua and the offensive coaches: ML, CE, JG, NS). Is Alabama invincible ? Of course not. But who is the most likely real competition? IMO, in order: OSU, UGA and maybe Clemson. IMO, Bama is clearly better than them all - on both O and D (UGA may be close on D, maybe OSU on O, but they don't have Tua. Haskins is good, though overrated a bit, but IMO does not compare - who does? And Bama's WRs and...). It's a new world and things are likely never to revert. Some good, some bad. Enjoy the good and know that CNS is more remarkable than even most of his admirers realize. Bama nor anyone else will likely see his equal again.

Don't let the Ark game overstress you. It was not good but that happens from time to time. Even the possible greatest Bama D of all time gave up 43 to OM, 30 to Ark and 35 to Clemson in 2016 - I know those offenses were much better than 2018 Ark. The secondary and DL are very good, Williams and Thompson are mostly great, the LBs have talent. CNS will see that he gets the most out of them. Not with a whip like some think but through diligence, wisdom and understanding. What more can we ask for?
Great post
 

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