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Tua's Injury

TIDE-HSV said:
It's hard to believe that it would pay for him to come back to reestablish value. OTOH, there's the hand, both ankles and now a freak hip injury. I'll still continue to defend him against the "fragile" label. It's not accurate. However a case can be made that he keeps making decisions which place him in the way of harm. You can see how some GMs might just not want to take a chance. Jeez, what a choice...
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Honestly, as much as I love Tua, I would not want one of my NFL teams drafting him high - maybe middle to late 1st round, but no higher. He will get hit in the NFL no matter how careful he is, and he is not careful at all.
 
While the athletes are immeasurably better in the NFL, I think the rules might make him more durable. There is a reason that Brady has lasted this long, he just doesn't get hit much. If Tua can quit trying to extend plays when nothing is there, he could last a long time.
 
TIDE-HSV said:
However a case can be made that he keeps making decisions which place him in the way of harm.
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There is no doubt he has been coached to dump the ball and simply play the next down. I suppose the competitor in him just can't give up on a play and concede that perhaps the defense won. In some ways it reminds me of Rueben Foster taking so long to learn to keep his head up while acting like a heat seeking missile.
 
TIDE-HSV said:
It's hard to believe that it would pay for him to come back to reestablish value. OTOH, there's the hand, both ankles and now a freak hip injury. I'll still continue to defend him against the "fragile" label. It's not accurate. However a case can be made that he keeps making decisions which place him in the way of harm. You can see how some GMs might just not want to take a chance. Jeez, what a choice...
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Fragile or not, he keeps getting hurt. Maybe it's genetic, maybe it's poor decisions that can be coached out of him, but he hasn't taken an abnormally high number of hits nor have they been unusually hard.

I don't know what the answer is but I can guarantee the NFL teams will figure it out and his draft status will reflect it - if he goes high, they think it's coachable, if he drops, they think the risk simply isn't worth the risk despite the obvious talent.
 
crimsonaudio said:
Fragile or not, he keeps getting hurt. Maybe it's genetic, maybe it's poor decisions that can be coached out of him, but he hasn't taken an abnormally high number of hits nor have they been unusually hard.

I don't know what the answer is but I can guarantee the NFL teams will figure it out and his draft status will reflect it - if he goes high, they think it's coachable, if he drops, they think the risk simply isn't worth the risk despite the obvious talent.
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That's true. You'd have to characterize the injuries which he's had as being just badly unlucky. OTOH, that rationale begins to wear thin after a while...
 
IF he should come back, it creates a QB problem for us, even if it's a good one. Does Young decomit? Which of Tyson, Taulia and Mac transfer? If he does come back, do any of the eligible WRs decide to stay?
 
TIDE-HSV said:
IF he should come back, it creates a QB problem for us, even if it's a good one. Does Young decomit? Which of Tyson, Taulia and Mac transfer? If he does come back, do any of the eligible WRs decide to stay?
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That would be a problem...…………..I would think Mac or Tyson leaves, were that to happen. I don't think Young would decommit, because he knows Tua wont be there long...………...course, that's just speculation. I honestly don't think he returns,...…….I think he and his family will look at where he is possibly drafted, and he will head on to the pros
 
TIDE-HSV said:
IF he should come back, it creates a QB problem for us, even if it's a good one. Does Young decomit? Which of Tyson, Taulia and Mac transfer? If he does come back, do any of the eligible WRs decide to stay?
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Tua won't be in a position to decide for months, and he doesn't have to declare for the draft until mid-January, by which time BY will already be on campus. I doubt BY would leave over a one season wait when he could learn from Tua.

But I have read several places that Tua has already made up his mind to leave, even with this injury, referencing unnamed people in Tua's inner circle.
 
B1GTide said:
Tua won't be in a position to decide for months, and he doesn't have to declare for the draft until mid-January, by which time BY will already be on campus. I doubt BY would leave over a one season wait when he could learn from Tua.

But I have read several places that Tua has already made up his mind to leave, even with this injury, referencing unnamed people in Tua's inner circle.
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I'd say Young decommitting would be the least likely of the scenarios I threw out. He couldn't reasonably expect to start as a TF, although I hear he's good enough. OTOH, I think one or more of the other three would leave...
 
B1GTide said:
Tua won't be in a position to decide for months, and he doesn't have to declare for the draft until mid-January, by which time BY will already be on campus. I doubt BY would leave over a one season wait when he could learn from Tua.

But I have read several places that Tua has already made up his mind to leave, even with this injury, referencing unnamed people in Tua's inner circle.
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I know Tua isn't that kind of person( and I respect the heck out of him), but at this point I think ( were it me) I would be looking at down the road and my career...………to quote Steve Miller "Take the money and run"
 
B1GTide said:
Tua won't be in a position to decide for months, and he doesn't have to declare for the draft until mid-January, by which time BY will already be on campus. I doubt BY would leave over a one season wait when he could learn from Tua.

But I have read several places that Tua has already made up his mind to leave, even with this injury, referencing unnamed people in Tua's inner circle.
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Also, I wouldn't put too much stock in the reports of the decision being made on his leaving. There are a lot of shoes to drop between now and draft time...
 
TIDE-HSV said:
I'd say Young decommitting would be the least likely of the scenarios I threw out. He couldn't reasonably expect to start as a TF, although I hear he's good enough. OTOH, I think one or more of the other three would leave...
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If I had to guess, I'd think Tyson and Mac would go...………..just a guess...…………..I'd love for all of them to stay, but I understand the desire to play and start
 
Keeter said:
If I had to guess, I'd think Tyson and Mac would go...………..just a guess...…………..I'd love for all of them to stay, but I understand the desire to play and start
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Yeah, if Tua comes back, Mac is gone. He is going to get Alabama to the CFP with a win this weekend. He will have lots of teams willing to let him take over their starting job. LSU jumps to mind.
 
TIDE-HSV said:
However a case can be made that he keeps making decisions which place him in the way of harm.
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The best case scenario in the long term (I'm a biased Saints fan but still) would probably be falling far enough for the Saints to trade up for him. Drew Brees is a similar build, and has really mastered the art of not subjecting his body to unnecessary hits. This would be just about the best possible scenario I could think of for him, a position where he can learn from one of the best.

He still might benefit from a relatively short fall. A desperate team is far more likely to throw him to the wolves and ingrain any bad habits he might have. Falling a little bit will cost him money, yes, but in return he could be set up better for long term success. So I personally am not worried much about him falling some. I do share your concerns about Tua learning to protect himself better.

In terms of being fragile, he might be. But, I've seen times where his actions ended up contributing to his injury. Even the last one, by trying to run and throw the ball away, he puts himself in a position where he isn't protected as a passer, he isn't in a position to protect himself, and his momentum actually contributes to the injury. The moment Brees usually goes down, is when the pocket collapses around him. So no question fragile or not, he can do more to prevent injury.

Finally... the stay or go thing, I think he should go either way. I don't see him falling out of the first round, and last I looked that was around 10 million guaranteed. That's still set for life money, and potentially a far better situation.
 
If Tua does go for the draft, the Saints would be a great place to land and learn initially while his hip has a chance to really mend. He certainly doesn't need to go to a disaster like Miami, Giants, etc. A year behind Brees would be a wonderful way to learn, especially how to protect himself.
 
TIDE-HSV said:
That's true. You'd have to characterize the injuries which he's had as being just badly unlucky. OTOH, that rationale begins to wear thin after a while...
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He's almost averaging a surgery a quarter since that TD pass to Smitty v. UGA. By my estimation he's had 5 surgical procedures in the ~24 months. So that is roughly a surgery every 4.8 months. We're well past him being unlucky. He's injury prone and that is why he's gotta go pro now before he has another one. His next injury needs to be while on payroll.
 
rgw said:
He's almost averaging a surgery a quarter since that TD pass to Smitty v. UGA. By my estimation he's had 5 surgical procedures in the ~24 months. So that is roughly a surgery every 4.8 months. We're well past him being unlucky. He's injury prone and that is why he's gotta go pro now before he has another one. His next injury needs to be while on payroll.
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Both ankles and his hip. The knee didn't require surgery, did it? Am I missing something?

Sorry, then there was the finger surgery. Still missing one.
 
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