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crimsonaudio said:
I don't believe the link I posted above supports the assertion that they were lax at all. I've a friend that lives there and it sounds like they've been doing exactly what the link says. Lots of references to support this (BBC, Vice, La Sampa, Financial Times, etc).

Ultimately, debating this doesn't matter - I'm going to believe my friend and the references I've seen, you'll believe what you want. No biggie, it won't affect the outcome at all. I just hope I'm wrong and the (seemingly lax) approach we've seen in most of the US is sufficient.
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I've read a great deal on the difference in the approach between the two provinces and the bar graph shows what I'm saying, no matter the anecdotal evidence. And, the fact remains that, even in Lombardy, the worst province, the infection rate topped at 11%. The main reason is a mathematical fallacy in all the exponential charts predicting 70% and the like, which even the black death and the Spanish Flu never reached. It's the Kevin Bacon six steps problem. The people you can infect, and they can infect, ad infinitum is a finite pool. Almost immediately, the new person to be infected has already been infected by someone else you infected. So, instead of an ever broadening tree, it starts to constrict under its own weight. Another illustration is the fact that you don't have anything like the number of ancestors you should have, mathematically, because some of them are the same. Don't get me wrong. 11% is horrendous, and enough to overwhelm the hospitals in Lombardy. It would/will in the US. It's just that the mathematical models predicting 70% and above are physically impossible, and, IMO, not helpful because of their exaggeration...
 
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www.modernhealthcare.com

Chloroquine in short supply as hospitals buy in bulk

While the FDA is investigating whether the inexpensive, old anti-malaria drugs can tame symptoms and limit the spread of COVID-19, hospitals have responded to clinical trials in other countries that have shown promising results.
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The price has gone through the roof too. There has been one study in France, but in some cases, it can cause heart failure, especially when used with z-pack. It does look like a promising start, but has to be undertaken carefully because of the drug interactions and contraindications.
 
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I've read a great deal on the difference in the approach between the two provinces and the bar graph shows what I'm saying, no matter the anecdotal evidence. And, the fact remains that, even in Lombardy, the worst province, the infection rate topped at 11%. The main reason is a mathematical fallacy in all the exponential charts predicting 70% and the like, which even the black death and the Spanish Flu never reached. It's the Kevin Bacon six steps problem. The people you can infect, and they can infect, ad infinitum is a finite pool. Almost immediately, the new person to be infected has already been infected by someone else you infected. So, instead of an ever broadening tree, it starts to constrict under its own weight. Another illustration is the fact that you don't have anything like the number of ancestors you should have, mathematically, because some of them are the same. Don't get me wrong. 11% is horrendous, and enough to overwhelm the hospitals in Lombardy. It would/will in the US. It's just that the mathematical models predicting 70% and above are physically impossible, and, IMO, not helpful because of their exaggeration...
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If you assume an 11% infection rate, combined with a 1% mortality rate, that still gives you over 350,000 deaths for the US.
 
My wife found out yesterday that the husband of a high school friend died of a heart attack. It had nothing to do with the virus. But what made me sad was that she saw there would be no funeral or memorial service right now.

I imagine this is common right now. Families and friends won’t be able to gather and mourn as a group. Older people would especially be urged to stay away, which is sad for them.
 
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81usaf92 said:
This is about as dumb as hearing Sean Penn last night talking about that the active duty military going into New York City would be a good thing. The only reason you send the military in and suspend constitutional rights is if civil unrest has increased beyond the capacity of the law enforcement. I think doing so without that happening will result in immediate revolt.
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I'd hope so, as it is illegal.
 
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This is about as dumb as hearing Sean Penn last night talking about that the active duty military going into New York City would be a good thing. The only reason you send the military in and suspend constitutional rights is if civil unrest has increased beyond the capacity of the law enforcement. I think doing so without that happening will result in immediate revolt.
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Brad is right. It's prohibited by the Posse Comitatus Act, unless there's insurrection. The National Guard is exempt until it's federalized under Army control. There's also an exception for drug enforcement. Typical Penn...
 
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Trump Writes to Kim Jong-un Offering Help in Virus Fight, North Korea Says

“I would like to extend sincere gratitude to the U.S. president for sending his invariable faith to the Chairman,” said Kim Yo-jong, the North Korean leader’s sister and policy aide, in a statement carried by the North’s state-run Korean Central News Agency. Ms. Kim lauded Mr. Trump’s decision to write the letter as “a good judgment and proper action.”

On Saturday, Mr. Kim attended the testing of two short-range ballistic missiles by his military.

A senior Trump administration official, who insisted on anonymity, said the president’s letter was consistent with his efforts to engage world leaders during the coronavirus pandemic. The official said Mr. Trump looked forward to continued communications with Mr. Kim.

North Korea is highly vulnerable to epidemics because of the decrepit state of its public health system and the international sanctions imposed over its nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs, which make it hard to ship aid there.

Officially, the North has reported no coronavirus cases, although it says it is waging an all-out campaign against the virus. Outside health experts fear that the isolated country might be hiding an outbreak.
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Complete anecdata: my E-med friends in NYC are saying they're already preparing to split ventilators (meaning 2+ patients per machine) and they're starting to pull/train people from psychiatry and other non-critical care services to manage vents and take over floor patients as staff gets shifted.

Also starting to hear rumors that some major airports will be shutting down (specifically SFO).

Edit: one more anecdote: a friend in Chicago is saying that they've restricted COVID testing in his hospital to patients who are going on vents. Expect numbers to be massively under-reported.
 
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